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With the Voice to Parliament Referendum date announced to be October 14 2023, this thread will run in the lead up to the date for general discussions/queries regarding the Voice to Parliament.

The Proposed Constitutional Amendment

Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice; the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Something I have not seen discussed anywhere.
They do not specify that this group will be elected. That mean they will be appointed. I just can't see future for this other than a punch of politicians mates from the inner city. Completely out of touch with the needs of those they represent.
I'm still leaning towards voting yes but I don't see this actually helping. It's probably just going to cost the tax payers a bunch of money and do no good.
If they were elected then they could be held to account.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (12 children)

How people are appointed to the Voice is irrelevant to the referendum and will be legislated by the parliament

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's very relevant. We need to decide if we want to irrevocably change the country. We need more than "don't worry about it"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

if we want to irrevocably change

The composition of the Voice is not irrevocable. The vote in the referendum is whether you support the notion that there is a constitutionally-mandated Voice, and not whether you approve of the specific model being proposed. Parliament can change the specific model at will, regardless of whether it is the current Labor Government or a future LNP one. The only thing that will be irrevocable is the fact that some Voice exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And that's where I can see people having concerns. By voting Yes, you are opening the door for a model that you may not agree with. I can see people being hesitant about it, like it's a trap. But that's just my devil's advocate opinion, the fact is that this will unlikely affect anyone who isn't ingenious in a tangible way.

It's well overdue for us to genuinely celebrate our indigenous heritage and ensure our constitution allows us to embed this culture into our country's DNA.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not entirely true. HC will likely set some sort of minimum standard for composition eventually, probably minimum standards for how they can provide representations if parliament decides to make it hard for them to do so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It might do that. Or it might not. The inter-state commission is a good example of that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you are not an Indigenous person then the voice will not really be advising on things that are relevant to you. And the voice is fundamentally an advisory group that will present their concerns to the government. The government will then act on this advice. It will still be the government making laws and policies. It just needs to be constitutional so that it can't be terminated like previous advisory groups have been.

Considering the level of disadvantage that Indigenous Australians experience, don't you think it's reasonable that they should have greater say (a voice) on how to address the issues that are relevant to them?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that those people who will be given the voice will actively work against the needs of those they pretend to represent. Just like all politicians.
How will that help anyone?

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So, your plan is to burn it all down and live in an anarchist commune?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

We've already decided on that through the previous federal election. Theoretically, the voice will be legislated in a way which appeals to the majority of Australians.

Remember: bad politicians and parties only get into parliament because, we, Australians, put them there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The rich put them there. We Australians don't really have a choice. The Libs are complete garbage and Labor have abandoned their principles just to get power. They are only slightly better?
What other choice do we have?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

We live in a democracy, we voted for them. I think if political advertising was prohibited then we would have way more independents in parliament

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