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The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant (utcc.utoronto.ca)

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I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] woelkchen 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only reason I’m not using it is Nvidia.

Don't buy Nvidia GPUs. NVidia's broken Linux support is a well-known fact since at least a decade.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For gaming AMD is as good as NVIDIA or even better. For anything else tho it's a dumpster fire. Amf still isn't on par with nvenc, rocm is pure garbage and they are basically useless for any compute task

[–] woelkchen 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For anything else tho it’s a dumpster fire. Amf still isn’t on par with nvenc, rocm is pure garbage and they are basically useless for any compute task

Those specific compute tasks are not "anything else". Pretty much every single everyday task by common people works better on GPUs with proper Mesa drivers than GeForce and there is absolutely no reason that you need to output your graphics from the NVidia GPU anyway. Do your compute tasks on dedicated Nvidia hardware if you have to. Even notebooks come with AMD and Intel iGPUs that are perfectly fine for non-gaming graphics output.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@woelkchen @Ineocla rocm really that bad?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep you're right. Mesa covers almost anything. But streaming and recording, photo and video editing, 3d rendering ai training etc aren't "specific compute tasks" they represent the vast majority of the market with billions of dollars in revenue. And no the solution isn't to use another gpu. It's for AMD to make their software stack actually usable

[–] woelkchen 2 points 1 year ago

photo and video editing

Which photo editor for Linux even supports special NVidia features? It's not like Linux has Photoshop or something like that – there aren't that many photo editors under Linux. It's one of the areas Windows people complain most loudly about Linux. Seems to me your conflated Windows with Linux when hyping Nvidia above anything.

ai training etc aren’t “specific compute tasks”

AI training isn't a specific compute task? What is it then? Why do you train your AI on the regular graphics output GPU and not on dedicated hardware like sane people?