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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Synthetic fuel though in 2025

The new car, which features the latest FIA safety innovations, is powered by a 3.4 litre turbo-charged Mecachrome engine, and includes some new features to accommodate the Aramco synthetic sustainable fuel that will be introduced in 2025

Why does no starter motor matter? It just adds weight

[–] Eideen 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Synthetic fuel, is not the right way to go. And not pushing vendors to produce something sustainable.

Hybrid also offers "Boost", since a driver can be tactical about when to use it.

A lot of DNF is do to engine staling, and you are not allowed to get help for marshals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

A drop-in net zero fuel seems a better bet than expecting everyone to scrap their ICE cars and buy electric. I think there's room for both

Seb Vettel was at Goodwood this year running a synthetic drop-in fuel

https://www.goodwood.com/media-centre/four-time-formula-1-world-champion-sebastian-vettel-to-attend-the-festival-of-speed-in-a-sustainable-fuel-exclusive/

I'm not a big fan of boosts, I'd rather it was just pedal to the metal, but couldn't the same be achieved by boosting the turbo?

I'd have thought an electronic anti-stall like F1 would be better for performance than lugging around a starter motor

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Synthetic fuels still rejects CO2 in the atmosphere and most importantly it requires a ton of energy that doesn't make it sustainable in the long term https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/synthetic-gasoline-promises-neutral-emissions-but-the-math-doesnt-work/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Synthetic fuel recycles carbon in the atmosphere, no new fossil fuel is required.

Peaky renewables are ideal candidates for making the required hydrogen

The carbon can be taken from a wide range of industrial byproducts

The Germans developed synthetic fuels from hydrogen and carbon, coal, in the 1930's to power their entire war effort, I think we can improve on that 100 years later.

[–] woelkchen 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The carbon can be taken from a wide range of industrial byproducts

Best not to release that into the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Least worst options are all we have to transition off burning stuff that's actually really useful and infinitely recyclable.

[–] woelkchen 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A drop-in net zero fuel seems a better bet than expecting everyone to scrap their ICE cars and buy electric. I think there’s room for both

If you mean that this a stop-gap technology for existing ICE cars, true. If you mean that there should be room for new ICE cars hitting the roads: No. (Except maybe very specific niche uses for certain types of utility vehicles but not as popular road cars.)

Seb Vettel was at Goodwood this year running a synthetic drop-in fuel

Vettel stated on multiple occasions that he thinks that batteries are thrown away after an EV reached end of life. He completely ignores second life as stationary energy storage and recycling over and over again. He's a cool dude but he's also anything but an expert.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep, transition fuel and niche sports cars. V12s!