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Hi, all.

As should be news to no one, polarization and animosity between conservatives and liberals is at one of its all-time highs in America right now. There's even talk of a second civil war looming. Obviously, there are strong passions and convictions on both sides, and people on both sides have claimed that the other is a grave threat to the integrity of the nation itself. I'm familiar with the views and concerns of my own side: we view Donald Trump's (and his allies' and supporters') statements and actions as being an attack on the democratic process that defines our nation, and are worried that the strategies and tactics he and they are employing will make future elections farcical, paving the way for an authoritarian state (a dictatorship). I am less familiar with why conservatives feel Democrats and liberals are a threat to the nation and its integrity in similar fashion. My best guess is that conservatives buy Trump's assertions that the 2020 presidential election was rigged, and thus might have similar fears as liberals do, but I also get the sense conservatives have deeper, older concerns than this, and that Trump was/is viewed as a solution to them.

Can you please try to articulate here what those fears are? And, to any liberals reading this, please refrain from answering in conservatives' stead. I'm interested in their opinions, not your opinions of their opinions.

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[–] Strangle 2 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I used to be a liberal too.

Right up until the evergreen college strangeness. I didn’t understand why those students were acting the way they were. So I started looking into it.

It’s a lot of very dense reading to actually understand how liberals and their values have changed. A lot of Derrida, Foucault, Marx, etc has crept into the liberal idea of society.

Conservatives value freedom and the individual. Liberals have begun to go backwards, treating people as part of social groups. So instead of you just being you, and having the ability to succeed or fail on your own merits (the things that we all used to agree on), have become twisted.

This is where the left really lost someone like me. I was having a conversation about people and individualism with a friend of mine and she said “have you ever heard of intersectionality?” Well, yes of course. But you intersect everyone enough and you’re just left with a perfectly unique human. Skin color, religion, education, preferences, you add them all up and no one is the same as anyone else.

So that’s a bit of the social ways that liberals are moving us away from a capitalist democracy. I’d suggest reading Stephen hicks “understanding postmodernism” to kind of start to see why conservatives don’t like the social direction liberals want to take the west.

And as far as policy, a lot of liberal solutions to problems is just to throw money at shit. And bloating government to make up more programs to throw money at.

The government is incompetent, and liberals want to keep giving government more control over peoples lives. But the government will never make better decisions for your life than you will.

That’s basically what taxes are. You find the government with your tax dollars, and they decided how to spend it. But that money is always going to be better spent by you directly. You’ll always make better financial decisions for yourself and your family than the government ever will.

And since the government isn’t an actual expert in any field, and are completely incompetent, they will actually make resoundingly terrible decisions with your money.

If you want to help people, give money yourself through charities of your choice, you don’t need to hand it to the government and hope they spend it in a way you would support. If you had that 30% in your pocket, you could spend it exactly how you feel is best to help people.

Obviously this is very high-level and not detailed, but a little overview, broad strokes.

The feeling of inevitable violence is because the leftists have decided that anyone who isn’t a leftist is a bigoted nazi. I mean, those are pretty obviously fighting words.

If you call someone a nazi, that’s extremely insulting and people will defend themselves. It’s dehumanizing. There are very few nazis or white supremacists in the world. But the left thinks there are 80 million of them in just the US alone

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