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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] grue 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Buying any car, electric or otherwise, is 'Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’.

Real sustainability comes from changing the zoning code to cease outlawing walkability.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would barely scratch the surface, I'm afraid. For quite a lot of America, not owning a car is simply not feasible. I don't have a large friend/family group, but in 4 cases now, we've had to relocate our families a town over because wages aren't keeping up with cost of living. So we all have long commutes now. There are no buses, trains, etc. We were priced out of housing market. When my landlord sold the property and forced my move 5-6 years ago, I could rent and pay 30% more for a smaller place, I could buy for what I was paying if I wanted to move my family of 5 into a two bed with no yard, etc, or I could move a town or two over pay a bit more, and get a decent size house for my family. Today if I had to buy a house, I couldn't even come close to affording the place I live in now, especially not at 7-9% interest compared to the 3.5% I got.

Now I guess you could still say fuck me I should have given up my dogs, moved my family into a shoe box and just walked to save the planet, but even then that's not really feasible. In a town of 60k I moved from, there is only bussing, and even then they don't run often enough to a wide enough range of places that you're not building in additional hours of the day to get where you're going. And they often don't run past 7pm or before 7am. And that's most of America. Even in large cities, public transportation is severely lacking compared to the rest of the civilized world.

Biking in the US should also help be a stopgap, but our whole society is so fucking car centric even that's even not really feasible. Aside from the fact that most of infrastructure rarely has bike lanes or even places to store bikes, its still lacking severely from "I'm just going a few blocks over to the bodega" every few days and is more like "just 5-10 miles to the grocery store." And this is just looking at my tiny little town where I live that is nowhere near as bad as somewhere like Houston, which is far more populous and also even less dense and less traversable by anything that's not a car.

In 2023, saying people shouldn't own cars is either ignorant of the issues around it or just classist. The Rivian CEO saying shit like this, with a starting price of $73k, is just more classist CEO bullshit. We don't even have the charging infrastructure at the moment to support everyone buying electric, not to mention I'd be willing to bet that 50% or more of this country can't even afford the starting price on whatever the cheapest electric is.

[–] nbafantest 2 points 1 year ago

Real sustainability comes from changing the zoning code to cease outlawing walkability.

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For quite a lot of America, not owning a car is simply not feasible

WHY IS IT NOT FEASIBLE WHOFEARSTHENIGHT? IS IT BECAUSE OF ZONING? ITS BECAUSE OF ZONING ISNT IT

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buying any car, electric or otherwise, is 'Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’.

Let's say that it depend on where you live. In a big city maybe a car can be useless (or less usefull), but in a small town like mine a car is basically the only way to move around since public transportation is really limited.

Real sustainability comes from changing the zoning code to cease outlawing walkability.

Even if you remove all the private cars in a city, you will discover that you will substitute almost all of them with small/medium trucks to deliver all the groceries/products you (end everyone else) need in your life. And I say it living in a small town where I can almost do the day by day chores without using a car.

[–] puffy 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A single delivery truck carries 100-200 packages, if everyone drives to the store instead, you'd have 100+ cars on the road. There is a huge difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not sure that there would be a so huge difference, especially outside some big cities and especially if you add also the public transportation to the game.

But maybe I am wrong.

[–] nbafantest 1 points 1 year ago

It would be quite large. The vehicles per household would decrease to about 1 instead of over 2.

[–] TheDramaLlama 0 points 1 year ago

I hate armchair urbanists so much it's unreal