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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] grue 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The infrastructure just isn’t there yet. If you live in apartments, where will you charge it?

You're right, but not in the way you think.

The real issue is that if you live in an apartment, you shouldn't need or want a car to begin with. The fact that so many people seem to think they do is a gigantic flashing neon clue that we've fucked up the zoning code and managed to build the apartments wrong in such a way that they're not in a walkable area despite being dense.

The infrastructure change we need is to be ripping out the parking lots, not installing EV chargers in them!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are places where this is just not possible. I live in very hot climate and people would be dying all the time due to heat exhaustion and dehydration if this was the case. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you can't simply say, fuck cars. It doesn't work this way everywhere. I would say that public transportation needs to be greatly improved upon and invested in though.

I've lived in places where I don't need a car and it's great and shitty. I've lived in places where you do need a car and it's great and shitty. I've lived in places that have great transportation and it's hot, but again, it's great and shitty. There are trade-offs with whatever you go with. I do agree that we should focus more on better zoning and better public transportation.

[–] grue 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are places where this is just not possible. I live in very hot climate and people would be dying all the time due to heat exhaustion and dehydration if this was the case.

You say that as if cities in hot climates didn't exist before cars.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're totally right. The world hasn't been getting hotter due to climate change and people didn't use horses. How could I forget.

[–] grue 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I point out that a hot climate isn't an excuse for driving instead of walking or biking and your bullshit takeaway is to insinuate that I'm some kind of climate change denier? Fuck all the way off with that!

Congratulations, that nonsense you've written is the most bad-faith reach I've read in a while.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your comment is hogshit. It's just comparing apples to oranges. It's meaningless and unhelpful. You're trying to suggest that something worked before so we should continue to do it. Should we not take vaccines next because that worked before? Should we not use soap too because they didn't have that back then? Should we go back to riding horses? Should we all live in huts and mud walls? Should we not use electricity anymore as well? Humans have done this in the past so it will totally work in modern society, right? See I can say stupid shit too.

[–] grue 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your comment is hogshit.

Pure projection.

You’re trying to suggest that something worked before so we should continue to do it.

You say that like it's a bad thing?

Besides, it's not just that. What I'm actually suggesting is that we've thoroughly tried the alternative, and it has proven to be a failure. Never mind screwing ourselves over with climate change; we're also going to simply bankrupt ourselves if we keep building sprawl.

Should we not take vaccines next because that worked before? Should we not use soap too because they didn’t have that back then? Should we go back to riding horses? Should we all live in huts and mud walls? Should we not use electricity anymore as well?

Oh, fuck off back to Reddit -- you're trolling in bad faith and you know it. Not only that, but what you wrote isn't even accurate in any sense because that shit didn't "work before!"