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The two types of instances people should seek to defederate from are ones for fascism and abusers. I know a lot of the Loli(and I presume Shota) defenses are claims that these characters only have childlike bodies. I disagree personally though. In any anime I've seen a Lolita character, they also behave like a child. They may claim she's a 2000 year old vampire, but she's acting like a child. That character is an abuser fantasy. They want to take advantage of that ignorance. There are probably plenty of people who like that body type innocently, but I believe there are many more who's intentions are vile to say the least.
I get the kid stuff, but why would you ban fascism? Next you want to band monarchy and communism, right?
As a socialist I do not like this mindset when poor content would be drowned out anyway
Indeed. I like free speech as much as the next guy, but fascists and abusers don't like free speech and only use it as a cover to spread their ideology. Once they reach critical mass in a community, they flip and ban speech they don't like.
While I agree with you, I feel like acting on something that hasn't happened yet is the falling victim to the same sort of ideology.
*Edit: Grammer
Is it? It's happened before, and it's the sort of thing where you can't be reactionary towards it because once it's happened you've already lost.
It's a tough line to toe for sure, I'm not envious of the position you're in. History definitely shows that it (content, speech, bans/censorship) has happened in the past. I don't think (with competing ideologies) a clear line where X topic is too taboo/far leaning where it needs to be banned, can be drawn. I don't have quite the pulse on the communities that I can speak to the danger of something like this happening. As such, I trust the moderation to make that call. If it's a danger to the overarching notion of freedom of speech, fuck em, take them to the grindstone.
I'm definitely a little jaded and probably a little more sensitive to it because of some of the overreaching that has happened in the past. It starts with one thing, then another, and another and all of a sudden a forum turns into an echo-chamber, which is my primary concern.
With all that being said though, I'm probably being overly pedantic on the specific topic and loli content being banned isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, lol.
BTW, thank you for the great conversation that's happening in this thread. It's really a longshot from reddit. It also cements my concern for the creation of an "echochamber" even further.