Pope Francis has lamented a "very strong reactionary attitude" in the US Catholic Church, saying that ideology had replaced faith in some parts of it and some members had failed to understand "there is an appropriate evolution in understanding matters of faith and morals."
During his decade as pontiff, Francis has often faced criticism from conservative sectors of the US church, opposed to reforms such as giving women and lay Catholics more roles and making the church more welcoming and less judgmental towards some, including LGBT people.
The comments were made in Portugal on August 5, during a private meeting on Francis' trip to Lisbon with members of the Jesuit order the pope belongs to, but were scheduled to be published in full as part of the Italian Jesuit journal Civilta Cattolica's end-of-August edition. Daily paper La Repubblica published excerpts in advance on Monday
During the question-and-answer session, a Portuguese Jesuit said that he was saddened while on a sabbatical in the US to find many Catholics, including some bishops, who were hostile to Francis' leadership.
"You have seen that in the United States the situation is not easy: there is a very strong reactionary attitude," Francis said. "It is organized and shapes the way people belong, even emotionally."
The liberal Argentine pontiff, born Jorge Mario Bergoglio, has also faced criticism from religious leaders and conservative media in the US on a host of his other stances, including climate change, immigration, social justice, gun control and opposing the death penalty as "neither human nor Christian."
"You have been to the United States and you say you have felt a climate of closure. Yes, this climate can be experienced in some situations," Francis told the questioner. "And there, one can lose the true tradition and turn to ideologies for support. In other words, ideology replaces faith, membership in a sector of the church replaces membership in the church."
Francis said his critics needed to understand that "there is an appropriate evolution in the understanding of matters of faith and morals," and that being backward-looking was "useless" for the church.
He said it was an "error" to consider church teachings to be a "monolith."
Francis gave both a historical and a more recent example to try to illustrate this, saying there was a time when many in the Catholic Church would have supported slavery. In the more recent case of homosexuality, he said, "it is apparent that perception of this issue has changed in the course of history."
"But what I really dislike more generally is when you look at the so-called sins of the flesh through a magnifying glass, as people did for so long," Francis said. He argued that pastoral care required "sensitivity and creativity," also mentioning his first meeting with trans people. "It's become clear to me that they feel spurned. And that's really hard," he said.
One of the pope's fiercest American critics is Rome-based Cardinal Raymond Burke. He wrote in an introduction for a recent book that a meeting of bishops called by Francis for this October to try to help chart the future of the church risked sowing "confusion and error and division."
Intelligent people are leaving the church, so those left behind are leaning more and more on emotion to guide them. Since they're watching their religion slowly fall apart around them, the emotions guiding them are often related to fear.
Things are changing, they're losing power, losing relevance, and they're angry about it.
I’m an atheist. I disagree that this is about intelligence… I think it’s more about ignorance. This is an important distinction and I think it’s more harmful to our cause to demean them the same way they might do to marginalized groups.
A lot of people have trouble empathizing with those in marginalized groups because they don’t have anyone close to them that is affected by their hateful ways of thinking. Often, just having a family member or friend come out to them is enough to open their mind. I think that most of the time, these people just lack the information (emotionally) necessary to understand harmful their beliefs have been. Years of indoctrination make it so much harder to overcome, but indoctrination doesn’t necessarily mean they lack intelligence. I think the words we use are important tools in changing minds.
I'm not trying to demean them, just sharing my observation, but yes I take your point. Hard to convince someone of something right after you insult them.
I get it. Just have to be careful about the language we use when we want to change minds.
Honestly, the ignorance goes both ways. I used to think very lowly of religious people in general and maybe especially Catholics back when I was a teenager who had just realized the profound truths of atheism. Having travelled a bit more and made friends from various religions, I've realized that while my diagnosis of the Catholic church was somewhat accurate, judging the people was a product of my own ignorance rather than theirs.
Emotions motivate everyone.
It's insulting and counter productive to say this thing is about dumb people following their emotions when education, money and opportunities play such a big part.
And some people, having grown up with something, just end up liking parts of it even if they might be critical of other parts.
The Catholics I know are quite happy to voice their disagreements with the Vatican when there is anything, they just enjoy the role faith has in their lives and want to keep it. Personally I like to have a bitter liquor for digestion after a nice big meal - I have a feeling it's probably not good for anything on a rational level, but I appreciate living in the belief. It makes my life richer, even if in a little way.
Yeah had I not been queer and slutty I’d probably still be Catholic. I always had my issues with the church but I get something out of religion and it took being made clear that I wasn’t welcome in their religion to drive me out. I spent a few years as an atheist but religion does benefit me so I sought one that was right for me and wound up pagan. Are the gods real? Well the Earth is, but the others who’s to say. But if all I’m doing is rituals to a personification of ideas and stories that appeal to me that’s ok. I feel better for it and it reminds me to be intentional in a lot of ways.
You strike me as someone very close to people who don’t share your same views on a lot of topics.
I’m pretty liberal but I work for a construction company with a lot of very conservative people, and my father and his family are catholic and very conservative as well. I regularly interact with a lot of people that share vastly different views.
Exactly, as long as the group they're harming remains this faceless "other" they usually can't see the issue.
Some will never change, but plenty will once they realize the group they're marginalizing are just regular average people, which is difficult when your perception is essentially just straight up tribalism.