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I have seen so many times that systemd is insecure, bloated, etc. So i wonder ¿does it worth to switch to another init system?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeap, it is always the same set of poorly researched links that get pasted in threads like this.

Unix philosophy, evil corporate interests, insecure, bloated, entangled mess... it is these individuals thatbhave seen the light, notnthe silent majority that does all the work in distributions and when developing software that kind of opted withbtheir feet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

not sure about the other ones, but "madaidan" (Kicksecure/Linux Hardening Guide) and Daniel Micay (Copperhead/GrapheneOS) are well known security researchers. See Daniel Micays take on Systemd:
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/bddq5u/os_security_ios_vs_grapheneos_vs_stock_android/ekzo6c0/
https://forums.whonix.org/t/fixing-the-desktop-linux-security-model/9172/2

Suckless.org's take on systemd is pretty well researched. All sources inside.

Some other critics are Ted Tso, Torvalds, Volkerding (Slackware), ... See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Reception
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

First off, there are lots of problems with systemd (mostly down in the details) and controversial defaults at times, bugs, bloat, and hickups and whatnot. Like basically in all projects all the time. So of course there is valid critique on systemd, lots of it.

But I have a problem taking any argument seriously that is based on "I am smarter than everybody else". I do not like detail Y or developer Z, so the project X sucks and everybody that disagrees is either a paid shill, forced into it or just stupid. There is no point in even talking with people like that.