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Literally no point voting for the Tory seat-warmers. Even if you concede that they can't be worse, rewarding this behaviour just dooms us to, at best, treading water while the Tories pull themselves together and then pick up where they left off.
Been there, done that, it got us where we are today. Fuck that, fuck Labour.
What would you recommend?
I'm assuming you mean for voting, the least important thing you can do, politically.
It doesn't matter much. Protest vote (if there's a good protest vote available to you), spoil your ballot (if there's something you want to say because it will be read by bored candidates), or stay at home (so that you don't add to turnout). In the vanishingly unlikely event that your local Labour candidate is an actual leftist, vote for them.
For more meaningful action, whatever works for you. Protest, direct action, letter-writing. In the vanishingly unlikely event that your local Labour candidate is an actual leftist, campaign for them (and turn out to support them when the leadership inevitably comes for them).
Just don't pretend that voting for the least worst option will give you better options in future. It will not.
Your post is quite representative of the Tory support base.
People other than this poster reading this. Great people fought and died in order for you to have this much civil power now. This is very much a case of using it or losing it. The ID requirements are baseless and just the beginning of that loss.
Go out and vote. At the very least reduce the chances we will be living in a dystopia. Believing it's pointless is exactly what people who want to steal your future would like you to think. As then their job will be much simpler.
I grew up under Thatcher, looked on with disbelief in 1983, 1987 and 1992, and celebrated with almost everybody in 1997. Then they attacked single parents, loaded the NHS and schools up with PFI debt, failed to reregulate the banks and deliberately reinflated the housing bubble. Inequality continued rising and the Tories supported them every step of the way.
Voting for the least worst option means you end up with no good options. Do what you feel you have to at the ballot box but don't pretend it means anything. If you won't fight them, you're helping bury us all.
You won't get me to defend Labour. But I'm a realist and I still see potential for a good future. Your defeatism will almost certainly not get us anywhere but whatever hellhole we are headed to.
We see voting differently. I see voting as the beginning of a journey. It's a very good entry point for people to understand the power balance within a society. It's in a way why we teach mathematics in school. Not because we expect everyone to be a mathematician or to contribute to a change in mathematics. Though collectively it most certainly has had a very positive effective. See just how monstrously fast our technology has advanced since we started mass education.
A lot of people will just vote and be done. But what if 1% become deeply interested? What if they go on to get others interested? What percentage of the population do our ministers represent?
Honestly, since you brought your experience into this I'll just say that for your age I'd hope for more wisdom. But this is no surprise.
Yeah, you're right. Do the same thing over and over again and definitely get different results this time.
History is a cycle. I'd rather not be in the shitty part of it, thanks. We are not there yet but we are in a turning point. And people like you are harmful. Maybe not by intention but that's the result.
As in 1997, a pineapple could beat the Tories at the next election. Nobody needs you cheerleading the Labour right as if everything will magically be fine if only they're in power. It won't. It'll be a fucking disaster for generations to come. That's the best of your least worst options and the very least you can do is make it clear that you are not fucking happy about it.
@JoBo @lasagna curious assertions. And I think neither correct nor clever.
Oh, this is what interacting with Mastodon means. I don't get notifications for the tags.
And that's okay, mate. I haven't tried to look clever. I don't consider myself clever. As a matter of fact, I'm a moron and I'm happy to be seen as such. Welcome to my level, by the way.
I'm not used to things like Twitter much. Do people just not provide insight when they post? Your posts reads like "And I think neither correct nor clever. But I'm not going to say why because my head lives in my ass."
If you're still claiming that I think the Labour will magically fix anything then I doubt you have understood anything I said. Again, no surprise. I'm not saying any of this to convince you. From my perspective, you're a lost cause. I'm not even sorry to say that. Get your shit together. You look sound like our water companies right now. Dumping toxic shit wherever they can.
Stop cheerleading for more competently implemented fascism. FFS
You gotta be kidding me, mate. Do you lack even the most rudimentary understanding of government types?
At the very least, try and understand what fascism is. You're an insult to the people who have suffered under fascists.
Current Labour is incompetent and corporate cockglobers. Facists though? Are you one of those who believe we are led by underground lizard or some bs of equal magnitude?
I do know what fascism is. And I know why liberals usher it in whenever there is the merest hint of a threat from the left.
Do more reading and less cheer-leading.
No. That link only proves that you know how to google and find articles that fit your narrative. Back in your days, did schools accept such blatant plagiarism?
And liberials? The fuck is this. We are not discussing American politics. Get out of here lmao. Are you a troll or some shit? This is so fascinating. If you are, you fooled me good and I just have to say that I'm damn impressed.
If there are differences in opinions, it's best to address them respectfully without resorting to accusations.
The fuck is wrong with you?
There's nowhere to even start with this. You think linking to a very famous essay is plagiarism and "liberal" means what USians think it means. FFS, you absolute clown.
Here is some common sense for you: linking something doesn't prove shit about your knowledge. Have you ever written anything in school or university? You can cite but to show you have learned a damn thing you still have to use your own words.
As such, I don't believe you know what fascism means. Let me give you an example mate:
I'm as smart as Einstein. Here is why.
Do you believe me yet?
And you're the one who brought all this up, funnily enough. Since you're so talkative, why not tell us how Keir Starmer is a fascist. Hell, you could even convince me here since if I were to vote for him it would be because he is the lesser devil.
Or you know, just go on about your nonsensical ramblings.
That's such dodgy shit to say that I had to dig your profile.
A non-existent one. You and your opinion couldn't be more dodgy. It screams troll factory.
I'm sorry Dhave but I'm incapable of running captcha to test you. And even if I did I still wouldn't be sure. What you're saying has no basis in reality. It's the kind of fuckery the Russian government feeds its people.
You and your peers have to try harder. There's like no fun in it for me if the things you say are this stupid and almost impossible to believe.
@lasagna yeah dodgy. I’ll be thinking of you crying when you finally realise how scammed you were by the most inept political operatives this century. Imagine believing you’ll get any good policies from the labour right. You’re literally scrabbling around in a thread where reeves is telling you how shit they are you rube
That's some weird kinky shit you got going on in your imagination, Dhave Config.
But I don't blame you for it. I appreciate my emotions and I think they're beautiful. I'm glad to be somewhere I can express them and I would like to keep it that way. Wouldn't you too, Dhave?
This makes me a little warm inside because it feels like chatting with ChatGPT.
What the actual fuck? How old are you, 12?
(with apologies for defaming 12 year olds, some of whom are remarkably well read)
As far as your comprehension skills go, it looks like I might as well be 5.
I'd rather be sure the least worst win and still protest etc I think. It's a Tory stronghold where I live though, and ukip matched the labour votes last election in my constituency.
As long as you're holding their feet to the fire, what you do at the ballot box is your call. In safe seats, you can do whatever the fuck you want (but unless the candidate lines up with your politics, simply voting Labour as if all was fine with the world is the worst thing you can do).
@JoBo @thehatfox This is not sensible.