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[–] Viking_Hippie 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't really discourage rape or slavery either, though. It's not a good manual for modern society.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're mostly correct about slavery, but rapists got stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK they had to pay 50 shekels and marry the woman they raped right?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have left out that detail. Raping an unbetrothed virgin doesn't get the same treatment as raping another man's wife. I'd still say paying a fine and never being able to divorce counts as "discouraging" rape, but... damn.

[–] jarfil 2 points 10 months ago

An "unbetrothed virgin" wasn't a woman, Romans didn't even give them names at birth, just a serial number like Prima, Secunda, Tertia... and they were an expenditure to maintain until they could get sold in matrimony... guess for less than 50 shekels, or it wouldn't be much of a fine otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't JC kind of nice to slaves or sth?

[–] Viking_Hippie 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Idunno, probably? Being nice to the downtrodden seemed to be more or less his thing when he wasn't telling people that he was his own imaginary sky daddy 🤷

Pretty sure he didn't actually FREE all the slaves or even told slavers to please do so, though. Spartacus is a much better role model than Jesus in that aspect.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Here, here! Jesus just did lame stuff like die on a cross. He could have saved a bunch of slaves sometime around 30 AD, specifically in the region of Roman occupied Israel. That would have been more important for the history of humanity.

[–] Viking_Hippie 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're being genuine or sarcastic. If it's the former, I completely agree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can’t tell if you’re being genuine or sarcastic.

Whichever gets me the most upvotes from you. Death of the Author, Poe's Law, and all of that.

Call me a mirror, 'cause if you be projecting, I be reflecting.

[–] Viking_Hippie 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For the time, maybe. But the few times slavery is mentioned in the NT the focus is on treatment of slaves, not abolition. And even then, for slave owners who didn't follow Christian teachings, slaves were basically told to suck it up and get back to work (1Peter 2:18). Paul appears to free Onesimus in the book of Philemon (although I can't tell if his intended meaning is literal), and it's also worth noting that Christian nations were the first to abolish chattel slavery, but it'd be a stretch to say the Bible directly discourages slavery.

[–] Viking_Hippie 9 points 10 months ago

Actually, the first nation to abolish chattel slavery was Haiti, which was NOT a Christian nation at the time. The country as we know it today was literally founded through a successful slave revolt!