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In July, Lockheed Martin completed the build of NASA’s X-59 test aircraft, which is designed to turn sonic booms into mere thumps, in the hope of making overland supersonic flight a possibility. Ground tests and a first test flight are planned for later in the year. NASA aims to have enough data to hand over to US regulators in 2027.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Whose going to be able to afford this? Air fare is already expensive.

Also, why is NASA doing this with tax dollars?

Is this stupid or am I stupid and missing something obvious?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd hate to live in a world where just because something isn't immediately useful it shouldn't be researched.

Being able to demonstrate the ability to suppress a sonic boom would be huge.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Nah, there must be a reason to fund research. Then, publicly funded research must align with the public's good.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People fly first class, people fly businees class. Some have the money.

Also, for some, the time saved is worth much more than what the ticket costs, especially in business (expensive consultants?).

why is NASA doing this with tax dollars

The resulting aircraft/technology can be sold to commercial aviation and/or be used for military purposes

something obvious

NASA stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration, so it's kinda in scope

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

taxpayer money is free, no there's no loss to begin with

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Huh? What kinda question is that?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

The resulting aircraft/technology can be sold to commercial aviation and/or be used for military purposes

That is what companies like Boeing and Lockheed are for.

NASA has no business making airplanes for rich passengers.

[–] fox2263 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

NASA invented much of the modern age.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but aside from roads, laws and schools what has NASA done for us.

[–] fox2263 1 points 1 year ago

🤣

Also this falls under the first A of NASA.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I imagine the same was asked when jet planes were first invented, now look at where we are.

NASA is likely doing this with tax dollars because private industry has little reason to push forward research that does not yield an immediate ROI. Not yielding an immediate ROI is a very myopic driver of priorities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In the west, jet engines were developed to kill fascists and communists. The ROI was good.

I don't see the parallel

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Weren't jet engines developed by the Germans to kill the Allies?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They were in development in various countries simultaneously, Spain would have likely gotten there first if not for Franco. Germany did manage the first jet fighter and bomber though, with Britain not long after

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Everyone was developing them, more or less. The thing is, the enemy doesn't usually share their tech with you so you've got to develop programs independently.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Are you claiming that the idea of the jet engine, prototyping, and finalization of the jet engine was entirely sparked by what you're referring to? I would argue that there's a long line of research leading up to what you're referring to that would've resulted in the questions you're asking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I am. Although the concept of a jet engine was known about for a long time it was only prototyped and finalized for the war effort. Since the Germans knew they were going to war first, they had a head start and finished first.

Everyone else launched reactionary programs. The goal of America's program was to kill fascists, but they didn't finish before the war's end. Afterwards they pivoted to communists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what of the folks who developed the concept of a jet engine?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nevermind the increasingly feasible steps between the Egyptians and the folks of WW2, I imagine even the Egyptians had some naysayers commenting on the lack of practicality for the little spinning ball. Where was the ROI there?

What would've happened if whoever invented precursors, at any stage, of modern jets listened to naysayers whose main argument was "the common man cannot afford this"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I understand what your trying to say, I just don't think it's true. The capitalist class came up with the intermediate steps, for profit, during the industrial revolution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is the only way to remain competitive when the US' largest rivals are able to tap state funding for research.

You don't see the military applications of large-scale supersonic flight?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure one of the A is for aeronautic - it's kinda what they do, the n is for naughty tho so maybe that's why?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

We definitely can't afford this.

Thus will only further drive the climate catastrophe

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not for regulars doing 9-5 jobs. Its for the elite class , not for peasants.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)