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Can we have a poll on reddit or something temporary? I have so many stuff saved, comments, crafting methods, discussions about farming strategies. At least I would like to export them somewhere if you plan to close it down for good. There's so much info about the game just sitting inaccesible.
Let me reassure you there -- we don't plan to close it down forever. Additionally, for the duration of the blackout I'm working on a read-only mirror of the subreddit with all the data up until March. The data is exported. Later this weekend I should be able to share a link that lets everyone view the contents of the sub without actually giving reddit any traffic
Would that resolve your concern about guides? Or does the posts are saved mean through the reddit saved tab, and you'd still need to re-find them all
Saved option in the reddit profile saved tab. The saved stuff and any google searches will still remain closed off right? So assume I do a google search about a poe question and most of the time the answer was answered on a subreddit post. Those would still be inaccesible too. Or my own posts, detailing something that we access through our reddit profile.
The mirror clone sounds good and I assume is a lot of work too. But all the things I mentioned are accessed via either our reddit profile or google search results.
Gotcha, yeah the reddit profile items won't be available, but for Google search results you could take reddit.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff and replace it with new-website.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff
Anyway I'm still working on setting that up. I'll post here when it's ready
Well it seems the admins are now forcing subs to open, at least based on pics, steam and piracy. Piracy is taking it as an endorsement from the admins that they want piracy on their site. Pics is now John Oliver pics only, and Steam is now discussions of actual water vapor.
If you're not planning on closing forever, why not just open it now in restricted or limited to specific tangential posting similar to other subs; rather than mirroring the data just to have it available.
We actually just got modmail from reddit telling us we need to open up or they will assign new mods. We're talking about what to do.
I'll comment here since the main reddit post is getting spammed. What do you hope to achieve with making everything in the sub NSFW? What about trolls that will post gore with missleading titles and more NSFW content? Why would you enable such behavior insted of just leaving gracefully? Like reddit did to you, why are you enforcing your own opinions to people that didn't mind the reddit changes? In the poll, who is more likely to brigade when you have an option that enables trolls and spam bots to post without reprecussions? At least consider doing a second polling round between the top 2 choices.
Oh, to be clear we have never considered allowing actual pornography or gore on the subreddit. All the rules and mod enforcement will be the same. This poll option would just mark all posts as nsfw in the UI, which hurts reddit's advertising quite a bit.
We can justify this by the game being rated M for violence, nudity, etc, and around 1/4 posts has profanity in it or it's comments, based on some database queries I ran
I dont mind seeing the NSFW tag accross the board. I mind clicking a post with a misleading title and seeing innapropriate content. Are you sure this won't get out of hand?
Am I positive it won't get out of hand? Not entirely, a lot of our mods are retiring and we will not have bandwidth to moderate everything as quickly as we have before.
The community's votes say they want the NSFW option, I'm fine with it too, but the comments seem more against it, it's a bit concerning
undefined> but the comments seem more against it, it’s a bit concerning We don't even know if the people voting on the poll are from poe community only. They might just be random users from all over reddit, visiting and voting on these polls without being part of the sub.
It would be somewhat weird for that to be the case, the post never got enough traction to show up on /r/all
Maybe if it was linked in some group somewhere
I do wonder about a comment-based poll, where you need a certain amount of karma to vote and it auto removes + processes comments as they are made. Not sure how to set that up, but I've seen it done. My main concern with it is that the community can't see clearly what the vote was
Well different polling methods all have drawbacks and advantages, idk which is the best. Apparently there are discords linking these polls so that protesters can vote on everything. Prolly just a rumor.
I just disagree on the NSFW thing in principal. It creates a wrong image of the sub, potentially more work for the mods and more volatile content. All that on the assumption that reddit will be financially hurt from advertisers pulling out. How much will they hurt or even at all is unknown and poe is not like a 30m user sub. Too many problems for too much of an ucertain benefit imo. And bridges are already kinda burned, but this will just be the final nail in the coffin for GGG using reddit to communicate.
Your concerns are super valid. And on the GGG using reddit to communicate I can tell you they stopped doing that already for other reasons a while back. I'm sure we'll see a big Chris post about PoE 2 at some point but not much else. Fighting toxicity is really really hard. We eliminate 90% of it and it's still a lot
Ultimately we have to go with what the community decides here, now that we've polled. The community is asking to determine the future and they've made the vote clear.
That said, we will absolutely re-poll the community later (a week? a month?) to ask if they want to stop it, so there will be more opportunities to change it. This protest won't be forever. I'd say just take a deep breath and keep using the subreddit as before, starting later tonight (PT).
We won't be allowing any more appropriate content than we currently do, so the limit is really a Poe statue that's unclothed.