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you are most definitely exploiting animals in the scenario you described. do you think i need to build a water table in order to exploit it for a well?
Screw it, eating plants is animal abuse. Just photosynthesize
i didn't say it's abuse. i said it's exploitation. everyone opposes abuse. exploitation is not inherently abusive.
You are kidding yourself if you think what we do with animals is anything but abusive.
food, protection from predators, protection from the elemnts, and veterinary care is not abusive. i would describe it as "symbiotic".
You think any animal would choose this "safety" for beeing killed after a max of 1/10 of their lifespan? I wont even start about the living conditions most animals are in. For sea animals also nothing of your arguments holds true and we kill a fuckton of those.
You know its one thing to contribute to suffering because change is hard. Pretending this is something symbiotic is ridicoulus though.
this is literally an appeal to ridicule, not a refutation.
Well maybe it is because a symbiotic relationship would need tonsomewhat benefit both parties. In this relationship we are more of a cruel and sadistic parasite, just waiting for the best moment to kill (when profit and taste is at its best). But no, i guess being forcefully impregnated, seperated from offspring and milked until your are unprofitable is a symbiotic relationship in your mind. As a thanks for service these cows get killed after half of their live span. But hey atleast they get much more than our beloved meat live stock. You should also look how naturally these cows and their udders have ''''evolved"" in the last hundred years. Much more cruel than what has been done to pugs (not that this is fine). The same goes for hens (for eggs) and the absurd amount of breast muscle chickenbreeds have.
I'm pretty sure the average lifespan of dairy cattle is 3 or 4 years
i don't know of any animal killed at 1/10 of their lifespan.
So i guess you tried really hard to google? A good example might be cows. Beef cattle is slaughtered on average between 1.5 to 2 years after birth and would be able to live for over 20 years. Pigs also live 15 to 20 years but are slaughtered after 6 months. So great thanks for that symbiotic relationship they can witness up to two whole seasons (provided they are one of the "lucky" ones that are raised outside). It is kinda telling how much the average consumer knows about the "products" they consume.
Veal Parm was one of my favorite meals as a kid.
That said, I am not a vegetarian today either, I have cut back on how much and what I eat though.
how long does a calf last without veterinary care and food and protection from predators and the elements?
i have yet to find proof that nonhuman animals understand personal mortality, so they wouldn't even be able to understand the choice you are presenting.
There is tons of evidence if you would not refuse to look. Especially social animals (for example pigs and cows) would outcast individuals out of their herd. They are also quite intelligent. But hey it is comfortable to pretend we got some high ground while we all know that animals have feelings and that what we do is cruel beyond imagination. And all that to just satisfy some urge for a special taste and convenience. I wish people would at least not pretend its ok.
But pretending it's ok is the only reason it perpetuates
Nah, i know some irl who admit its shit but are to weak to change anything about their behaviour. I agree though that those pll probably will come around eventually.
get me a peer reviewed article that says they understand personal mortality. I'll read it start to finish