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If they know "how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the "print", review it..."
Then I'd say they are more prepared for the future they're inheriting than their peers that have to study and learn how to rig this bad boy up.
But anyway it's just a gag so...
You aren't wrong, in part at least, but I guarantee you that the person who doesn't have to set this thing up because they can quickly process information and produce compelling content on their own, without the aid of an LLM, will have a cognitive and competitive advantage in life. This may not be obvious when you are young and still in school.
This is an argument that I do not agree with, but I 100% can respect.
I would assert that the LLMs are irrelevant here, the kid has an aptitude for engineering with or without LLMs. He clearly is capable of processing information and producing compelling content on his own.
Likewise, his peers may have their own faculties that will grant them an advantage in life. But I don't think failing to leverage existing technologies will do them any good. Using textbooks, the internet, and LLMs are various technologies that can be used effectively or detrimentally.
Other students may succeed, not due to their unwillingness to adopt LLMs, but in spite of it.
It seems you're hyper focused on an overly literal interpretation of a meme. Of course blindly outputting chatgpt's response is an ineffective strategy and doing the student a disservice. So is copying a textbook or plagiarizing from the Internet.
But rigging this bad boy up? That's innovative, and more importantly, makes a funny image.
Let's look at your arguments:
3d printing hasn't taken off: I think you underestimate just how important rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has been in industry. Just because you don't see it doesn't make it unimportant. Here you can see some aircraft brackets that were 3d printed. https://www.metal-am.com/amgta-shows-additive-manufacturings-role-in-lightweighting-aircraft-engine-bracket/
Corporate proprietary software. Neither cad nor LLMs are strictly corporate proprietary software. And I hate to break it to you but corporate proprietary software is not inherently evil and is commonly required in academic and professional environments. https://openscad.org/ https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/list-of-open-source-large-language-models-llms-4eac551bda2e
He cannot speak for himself.... It's better to parrot correct ideas than to articulate incorrect ones. Joking aside I don't see where you got this idea from, it seems he has plenty of creativity and aptitude for independent thought.
What happens when chatgpt starts censoring answers. Most llms are already censored and by their architecture they are specifically designed to make shit up. So any reasonable implementation would review and edit the output, a point you yourself already caught on to so again I fail to see your point here.
Is he going to carry a 3d printer? I remember hearing the same thing about calculators.
Your doom and gloom conclusion. LLMs are a tool that can be leveraged effectively or can be used to fuck yourself over quite quickly. However your ludditical (ludditicarian, luddilicious, luddite-loving, what's the right word here?) prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that you are uneducated and endanger our society and those you love.
The Times They Are A-Changin'
Man, look at this guy all salty that ChatGPT writes a better paper than him. Do you yell at calculators too?
I'm a theoretical physicist. Think I know what I'm doing, but you go ahead and keep arguing with everyone. There's nothing wrong with using tools.
Well then in that case you should know how this technology works, how it's widely used, and what it's good for. Instead you're just a sad, angry boomer who is mad at the world.
Btw I am a physicist, I don't need to lie.
How about educators evolve their tests instead of acting like it is the 1950's still?
Everybody has a calculator everywhere at all times, head calculations just aren't as useful anymore.
Instead of writing pages on topics by hand like some medieval peasant, how about teaching some critical reading of multiple sources through the use of AI synopsis?
Skills evolve over time. Writing cursive was once an extremely important skill. Now everything is digital and it became useless.
So if a task can be completed by copy pasting ChatGPT results, it isn't an effective teaching tool anymore.
Nice thing about AI is, there's more than just ChatGPT out there. And many actually are open and you can run them at home if you want.
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Go touch some grass
The chat GPT interface is literally the simplest part of the whole solution. It requires wiring custom GCODE compiler from vector text and of course converting text to vector graphics. I bet this guy easily could learn anything he wanted to use and is one of the creative guys this society actually runs on in the long term.
Niche? Are you a lunatic? The 3D printing industry is one of the fastest growing fields in the world. 3D printing is getting cheaper and cheaper compared to eg. CNC machining. The industry is a very important one, because it allows you to create accurate parts much more quickly that to drill a block of metal. And all this not even mentioning that this required mostly general computer science skill, I hope you won't call the computer science field niche?
You think someone writing custom software can't solve problems?
Also, a 3d printer is just an additive cnc machine, learning how to operate, tweak, tune, write gcode, etc, is an incredibly important skill in manufacturing and r&d, CAD skills are not niche, they are incredibly sought after.
Learning how to use and modify a 3d printer at an early age, as well as learning software development, and practicing connecting disparate systems is one of the best things you could do if you want to become an engineer.
"He can't do back of the envelope calculations, think quickly, or solve problems." This is just made up, completely. That is literally just a fantasy created in your head.
CNC also runs on GCODE
You think CNC machines aren't being used, like literally everywhere?
Entirely too smart of a take for this thread. All OOP is doing is ensuring he's replaceable with AI