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How does moderation work for 'false' instance communities following defederation (self.asklemmy)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Pspspspspsps to c/[email protected]

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I hope this is a clear enough description of what I'm asking.

lemmy.world users can still make new posts in @beehaw.org communities, which are only hosted on lemmy.world and there is no indication in the UI that those communities are a 'false' version, only visible to other lemmy.world users

The posts made by lemmy.world users to @beehaw.org communities are not hosted on the 'true' beehaw instance. The 'true' community is moderated by beehaw mods. The 'false' community is moderated by who?

lemmy.world never had moderators for these communities because they were beehaw.org communities.

So who is moderating these posts?

If I had to report a user for breaking community rules, who receives that user report?

Examples of posts in beehaw communities by world users after defederation

https://lemmy.world/post/172609

https://lemmy.world/post/167045

https://lemmy.world/post/158352

https://lemmy.world/post/185750

https://lemmy.world/post/162320

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[–] PriorProject 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

First off, this is the wrong sub for this question. See the sidebar, but this is a kind of random discussion sub for lemmings, similar to /r/AskReddit/. The Lemmy or lemmysupport communities would be better locations, as would the meta community on lemmy.world... which is called lemmyworld (and unfortunately has lots of off-topic junk in it right now). But your question is an important one, so I'll weigh in here.

I'm not 100% certain, but I expect these zombie communities are unmoderated. The right thing to do would be for reports to go to instance-admins, but I'd be surprised if Lemmy covered this edge case correctly right now. I think there's a decent chance you may have to at-mention or DM an instance admin to get posts/comments in these orphaned communities addressed, and also that admins on affected servers should consider purging them to address this issue of lack of moderation.

This is one more example of how this split increases moderation load network-wide, and how Beehaw is offloading the costs of their unsustainable moderation policies to others.

[–] Chraccoon 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've had some thoughts pop up when reading the post and your reply.
So beehaw said this may be temporary... But I can't help to wonder what that means.
Let's say lemmy.world closes registrations and beehaw refederates. Are they going to be flooded with all the posts that happened while we were defederated?
The amount of stuff suddenly appearing everywhere would be unmoderatable, and if I'm not wrong, it also kind of makes defederation permanent if it goes on for too long. Who would want to refederate instances and tsunami their own with things they don't know about?

[–] Pspspspspsps 5 points 2 years ago

My mistake, apologies. I saw this sub recommended to someone else in a thread over at Lemmy.world community discussing something tangentially related but I realise now I may have missed something important as to why it was recommended to them. I previously posted this question in a lemmy.world thread but people did not understand my question lol.

It's a pretty bad oversight, and makes me think the best thing to do is temporary mutual defederation until it's addressed which obviously isn't ideal at all, but I do worry about the implications of so many reasonably sized communities being completely unmoderated on our end. Thank you for the advice tho, I'll make sure to save your comment so I can refer back to it if this isn't fixed!