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The world's largest chipmaker promised to create thousands of US jobs. There are growing tensions over whether US workers have the skills or work ethic to do them. (www.businessinsider.com)

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The world's largest chipmaker promised to create thousands of US jobs. There are growing tensions over whether US workers have the skills or work ethic to do them.::Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience. Americans may push back on the company's culture.

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[–] ErikDegenerik 321 points 1 year ago (28 children)

"If an engineer [in Taiwan] gets a call when he is asleep, he will wake up and start dressing," he said. "His wife will ask: 'What's the matter?' He would say: 'I need to go to the factory.' The wife will go back to sleep without saying another word. This is the work culture."

Fuck that shit, that's not work culture, that's exploitation.

[–] marmarama 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

What? Tech companies the world over have people on 24/7 on-call rotas, and it's usually voluntary.

Depending on the company, you might typically do 1 week in 4 on-call, get a nice little retainer bonus for having to have not much of a social life for 1 week in 4, and then get an additional payment for each call you take, plus time worked at x1.5 or x2 the usual rate, plus time off in lieu during the normal workday if the call out takes a long time. If you do on-call for tech and the conditions are worse than this, then your company's on-call policies suck.

I used to do it regularly. Over the years, it paid for the deposit on my first house, plus some nice trips abroad. I enjoyed it - I get a buzz out of being in the middle of a crisis and fixing it. But eventually my family got bored of it, and I got more senior jobs where it wasn't considered a good use of my energies.

Your internet connection, the websites and apps you use, your utilities - they don't fix themselves when they break at 0300.

If TSMC's approach to on-call is bad, then yeah, screw that. I don't see anything in the article that says that one way or the other. But doing an on-call rota at all is a perfectly normal thing to do in tech.

[–] DigitalWebSlinger 7 points 1 year ago

A SaaS startup I used to work for tried to implement on-call rotations for their salaried engineers. No additional compensation was offered for the time you were on-call, and if you did get called, the policy was going to be essentially "take the next day off" - when we already had unlimited PTO. I was not happy, and made it known at the time. My manager mentioned that, being in a senior role, I might have the opportunity to excuse myself from the rotations. Ew.

The effort didn't end up going anywhere, but that's been my sole experience so far with on-call efforts in software engineering.

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