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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Litter bins in the middle of a forest still have to be emptied by someone. And while they are there, they can be accessed by wildlife.

The correct solution here really is for the same people that bring the trash, to take it back with them, and discard it elsewhere.

If people won't do that, then yes, the litter bin is the better option, but if they do, removing them is the better option. Especially if they aren't even being filled anymore.

This is the locigal next step for an already improving hiking culture.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Japan is very similar but not exclusive to parks, even in the middle of Tokyo. Pretty much EVERYWHERE in Japan expects you to carry your own trash.

The only exception to this really being at restaurant's, street food markets, and "some" vending machines (which will have recycling for cans/plastic).

And you know what? There's very little trash on the streets. The dirtiest areas I experienced was Osaka near Amerika-mura (young trendy area) which was mostly just stuck gum, cigarette butts, and in the early AM maybe an empty can of beer.

[–] taiyang 1 points 1 year ago

That was the same experience I had in Okinawa, but it was kind of frustrating since we were tourists visiting family members and didn't really have bags to carry trash in (and this, an international street for tourists).

With hiking it's probably better though, especially since bags are a given. Bins just make sense in areas where you aren't expected to have a bag (vending machines make sense in that regard).

[–] IdealShrew 6 points 1 year ago

and if people throw their trash on the ground, they themselves should be removed instead. litterers are literal scum of the earth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are totally right and I never wanted to imply that people should be able to take trash into the wildlife. I'm just not sure if it's the best way to just remove the litter bins. Many people that didn't get the note will throw their trash into nature because of the lack of a trashcan.

If the trash is already there, it's too late. There should be a way to enforce that in a way were ignoring or not knowing about the rules will not result in an even worse outcome.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But will that kind of person really carry trash until a resting place, or maybe just dispose of it where they open stuff?

I personally always found trash cans in areas not commly frequented by cars rather odd - I got tought in the 80s and 90s that we are careful how we pack things we take with us when hiking, and take everything back.

It is a conecpt a 3 year old can understand (I see that now with my own kids), so you'd expect an adult not to have a hard time with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of adults are just assholes, though.

[–] 5BC2E7 1 points 1 year ago

the bins can be designed to prevent wildlife from accessing them. I guess they don’t have any other facilities nearby that would need maintenance as well. So bring your own water and porta potty as well.