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Transport is not an obsession, it's a basic necessity. It's a huge deal regardless of what mode. But I think your point with cars is that there are alternatives that don't cause as much harm. I can think of a few other similar examples.
Housing - Suburban housing. It's worse than cars in many of the ways you outlined. Typically cars and suburbs come as a double punch.
Food - Meat. At least as damaging to the environment as cars, causes huge amounts of suffering, and it's also pointless because there are great alternatives.
Cooking - Gas stoves. Fairly minor, but there's no good reason they should still exist. Same story with gas heaters instead of heat pumps.
Suburban sprawl I would consider to be part of the same issue—it’s development that is warped around the primacy of the automobile.
Meat is a good example of something that comes close though. Certainly a lot of problems associated with meat production. But I think I would say that is a condemnation of meat culture, not a defense of car culture.
Gas appliances are a problem but so much more minor than the car. And we’re far from having the same obsession with them as we do with cars. I think they will disappear in coming years and few people will even miss them.
I know about all the trade offs you mentioned. Personally I'm happy with my coil electric stove because a bit more difficulty cooking is a good trade off to avoid cancer and climate change, but that argument has been moot for decades anyway because induction stoves are better than gas in every way.
Modern heat pumps work fine at the vast majority of locations where humans live. If you happen to live at the north pole, you can supplement your heat pump with electric resistive heaters or even, god forbid, gas, and still come out far more energy efficient.
You're absolutely right that people won't do the right thing voluntarily, as seen with all these examples. That's why we need governments to encourage them. That could be through regulation, taxes, subsidies, and building the right infrastructure to make it easy to do the right thing.