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[–] FrankTheHealer 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm confused though. Don't banking/ finance apps require E2EE ?

Also Password Managers, VPNs? Do these apps not need E2EE by default?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah. There'd either be carve-outs or congress would just knee-jerk against encryption (like they've nearly done before) and deal with the consequences later.

[–] Cabrio -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do Americans say carve-out, is it because illiterate TV media personalities couldn't pronounce caveat?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they mean different things.

[–] Cabrio 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Care to explain the difference? Google is struggling to bring up adequate definitions for carve-out, or why it's different to caveat, and I see multiple sources using both, sometimes interchangeably.

[–] roboticide 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, you're the one claiming dumb Americans can't pronounce English.

Caveat is a noun. It's a really old word, literally from ancient Latin meaning "let him beware." Basically a warning, often noting that while something may seem great, there is often a notable problem.

A carve out is a simple compound, and typically a verb, but can be used as a noun as seen above. It notes an exception (typically to a policy, practice, or law), often one specifically framed to benefit a specific group, at the expense of others.

For example: "Congress' new law creates strong regulations for CO2 emissions, but before you get excited, there's one caveat: there are carve outs for automotive manufacturers, who won't have to abide by those regulations until 2030."

[–] Cabrio -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A carve out is a simple compound, and typically a verb, but can be used as a noun as seen above. It notes an exception (typically to a policy, practice, or law)

caveat /ˈkavɪat/ noun

a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations. 'there are a number of caveats which concern the validity of the assessment results'

Emphasis mine.

I understand now the purpose of it. Normally in non-americanised English, using your example, caveat is used as follows:

"The deal has a caveat that x gets y" where caveat covers both meanings.

But that's been Americanised because you're separating those meanings effectively saying "There's a caveat, the caveat is x gets y" as, "There's a caveat, the carve out is x gets y".

So, it isn't that your TV personalities couldn't speak, it's because your contract writers were semi-literate.

What were you saying about my English competency?

[–] MasterBlaster 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the government needs is copies of the keys. Encryption remains in place for everybody else, so it is ... Plausible.

All these encryption bans are specifically encryptions thee governments cannot decrypt.

[–] FrankTheHealer 1 points 1 year ago

Ah that males sense. Thanks for clarifying.