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[–] beebarfbadger 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am not saying that we are incapable of solving multiple problems at once, I am saying that we are incapable of solving the main problem.

I was not joking when I said that my car is not a factor. My individual part in this regard is done. But the point remains that by considering the main sources of pollution too "inflexible" to tackle, it seems that we are debating about which colour to best repaint a sinking ship here while being utterly, completely powerless to address the big hole in the hull.

So in conclusion, I'll now pat myself on the back for having done my part while sailing this doomed (but [for some at least] highly profitable) planet to hell in a handbasket.

[–] someguy3 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am saying that we are incapable of solving the main problem.

Has to be done via government. Government action is how to address many industrial practices.

But also, when you say "70% by industry", that ignores that industry is producing stuff for us. They don't exist without a consumer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Absolutely right that it has to be legislated by Government and enforced. Pricing in externalities is important, but at the very least they should be accounted for/reported on honestly (and also not over-inflated).

Consumerism is complicated, of course. It is often manufactured, one way or another. From lack of viable or convenient alternatives (eg. public transport / safe walking and bicycle paths), to straight up advertising and social pressures, to incentives or requirements from above (eg. job, laws, etc.).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If we assume that you'll have a car even if they become unnecessary, then sure, you've done all you're willing to do. However there are tens of millions of people that would happily stop driving if it weren't absolutely required to function. They have not finished doing their part. That includes me.