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The Globe is going with a pretty click-bait-y title. But, I've seen others call for coordinating federal immigration numbers with infrastructure planning by municipalities and provinces. It looks like National Bank is on the same wavelength.

“The federal government’s decision to open the immigration floodgates during the most aggressive monetary tightening cycle in a generation has created a record imbalance between housing supply and demand. According to Statistics Canada, the working-age population surged 238,000 in Q2. That was the largest quarterly increase on record and 6.8 standard deviations from the historical norm of 82,000 per quarter. Unfortunately, Canadian homebuilders can’t keep up with this influx. Housing starts for Q2 2023 stood at 62,000 units (or 247,000 annualized). At just 0.26, the ratio of housing starts to working-age population growth fell to a new and stands at less than half its historical average of 0.61 (the ratio is normally below 1 to account for the fact that there is more than one person per household). To meet demand, builders would need to break ground on 144,000 units per quarter (or 576K annualized), double the best performance ever!

At an absolute bare minimum, post-secondary institutions should show students have decent housing before visas are granted.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why are they so hell bent on bringing in all these extra people though? Like I get they need a larger workforce to support social systems. But surely they can wait untill the infrastructure isnt at code fucking red?

It's just so stupid on the surface that I must be missing something.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's the result of treating immigrants as a resource.

For example, international students pay significantly more than domestic students, so the federal and provincial governments don't have to finance post-secondary institutions properly. Meanwhile, post-secondary institutions get a much larger pool of students to draw from who pay so much more. It's win/win for politicians and administrators: someone else funds post-secondary institutions.

But the politicians and the schools don't have to worry about infrastructure for the students. We get situations like the one I linked to in the post: not enough housing and programs that don't offer the academic quality the students were promised.

I guess it's always been that way in Canada. But I thought we'd left that shit behind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It just seems so obvious how unsustainable it is. I just feel like there has to be another angle I'm missing. Like he knows the vast majority of immigrants will end up in the GTA which will collapse under the pressure and make Doug look bad enough to give the Liberals a chance? I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Because bringing in immigrants at scale is cheap and easy: it gooses GDP, lets you avoid interventionist policy like tax hikes or infrastructure spending, there's virtually no political blowback, their donor class (and we're talking both the CPC and LPC) likes it, and the cost of problems is causes is externalized onto other people.

If you're a neoliberal politician, it's pretty much all upside.

I mean, all upside except for the collapse of the middle class, the rise of fascism and general human misery, but again, these are all externalized costs for your average neoliberal and their donors.

[–] Boxtifer 2 points 1 year ago

Could be many reasons.

  • tourism from friends and family
  • automatic surge of money that they bring
  • good optics to the other countries
  • I'm sure there are some form of country to country politics
  • ensures that when people come, there are common areas to go to automatically to fit in
  • some things like schooling charge more for international students
  • businesses have more customers resulting in more transactions which brings in more income everywhere

Looking at this based on the sole problem of housing probably doesn't paint the entire picture to why many countries do similar strategies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Last year was the first outlier year in decades. If ignore last year our population growth rate (births & immigration) has been pretty flat for decades.

This isn't a new problem and it's not now being caused by immigration. Provinces have been massively under investing in infrastructure for decades and the federal government can't force them to start projects.

The current situation is essentially exactly what Canadian conservatives want, they control most of the provincial governments, and continue to cut spending on infrastructure & social programs. Then conservative media is blaming the failures on the federal government even though the federal government can only actually help if the provinces asked for it, and they have no reason to.

It's incredible how effective the conservative owned media is at spinning a story.