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[–] user6574839384 3 points 1 year ago

*This response is very long so it will be split into two parts: Part 1 (1-2) and Part 2 (3-5)

PART 1

1: Targeting]

  1. I don’t want to get into some weird analysis of ethnicity but there are many diverse ethnic groups in China, with several looking especially different from the Han ethnic group.
  2. This is an interesting point, and will be discussed in section 2
  3. Xinjiang was not the only area to have not been completely physically dismantled by the GPCR; we can critique the idealist, discriminatory, and anti-democratic features of the GPCR without engaging in complete nonsense.

China has already attacked the first and second targets, Taiwan and Hong Kong… Taiwan has their own military, a distinct culture, western ties, and are even recognized as a separate country, so the CCP does what they can to suppress and discredit Taiwan without a full-on invasion.

Recognized as a separate country by whom? The UN has recognized Taiwan as part of China since General Assembly Resolution 2758 (1971). Only 13 countries recognize Taiwan as a separate country, with neither the U.S. nor U.K. occupying that list. "臺灣民眾統獨立場趨勢分佈", conducted by Taiwan's National Chengchi University, an explicitly anti-CPC source, in 2022, showed the following results with regards to the perspective of Taiwanese citizens on independence and reunification: (Status Quo as Autonomous Part of China and Complete Unification Compiled [part of PRC] : 63.4%) (General Support for Independence Including Status Quo Moving Towards Independence [not part of PRC]: 30.3%) (Non-Response: 6.3%).

Hong Kong has Western ties and a distinct culture, and a large, concentrated population, but no military, so the CCP has passed incredibly broad and vague retroactive “anti-terrorism” laws that allow them to forcefully invade and occupy Hong Kong and extradite any Hong Kong citizen for any reason from Hong Kong to mainland China, to be detained indefinitely without any appeal in court.

Hong Kong has a large amount of autonomy; it isn’t true that Hong Kong citizens can be extradited for any reason; stop claiming things without sources. You can’t invade yourself, nor can you occupy yourself; this is ridiculous (as is the notion that the CPC could pass such laws, but I wouldn’t expect an understanding of China’s govt. structure). The anti-terrorism laws were because Hong Kong protestors shot a dude and set another on fire in opposition to an extradition bill specifically proposed because a man murdered a pregnant woman in one part of China and fled to Hong Kong (from which he could not be charged or extradited, which is ridiculous).

So the CCP labels them terrorists, invades them, destroys cultural buildings that define the uyghurs as obviously a different culture, throw at least 10% of the population into re-education camps(make sure the politicians and professors are among that 10%), limit their transportation and track all the rest of them.

The CPC never argued that all Uyghurs were terrorists; are we seriously going to deny the epidemic of terrorism in Xinjiang and from Xinjiang (ex. Ürümqi, July 2009; Hotan, July 2011; Piqan/Shanshan, June 2013; Yunnan, March 2014; Ürümqi, May 2014; Kashgar, July 2014; Yakan/Shache, November 2014; Bay, September 2015; Karakax/Moyu, December 2016)? I’d like a citation for the 10% number, you can’t just claim things that immense with no citations. I won’t misrepresent your point by assuming a source.

Since you asked about the hui specifically, they are terrified of being attacked next, since there was no provocation or necessity for the concentration camps in xinjiang other than uyghur physiological and cultural difference.

Evidence? It’s insane to claim to know how a group of millions is feeling without a survey or some sort of proof.

2: Strategy]

As for the US interest in Xinjiang, yes, that ties directly into one of the reasons stated above the CCP is specifically attacking Uyghurs. Wilkerson explains how the CIA could destabilize the CCP through Xinjiang, but It’s just as likely that the US would keep military on the western edge of a hostile, powerful country as the US military does with other powerful countries (3000 US soldiers recently sent to the western boundary of Russian influence with directions not to engage). Not engaging, but there. Wilkerson says that Xinjiang is an easy entry point to China, which yes it is, a lot easier than anywhere on the east coast.

It’s really annoying when you just ignore points, for instance me saying “see Paul Williams’ Operation Gladio, p. 271 for further evidence of U.S. promotion of terrorism and unrest in Xinjiang)”, which completely negates your point that the addition of Wilkerson’s talk is speculative. Sibel Edmonds also stated:

…without the Cold War excuse our foreign policymakers had a real hard time justifying our joint operations and terrorism schemes in the resource-rich ex Soviet states with these same groups, so they made sure they kept their policies unwritten and unspoken, and considering their grip on the mainstream media, largely unreported. Now what would your response be if I were to say on the record, and, if required, under oath: ‘Between 1996 and 2002, we, the United States, planned, financed, and helped execute every major terrorist incident by Chechen rebels (and the Mujahideen) against Russia. Between 1996 and 2002, we, the United States, planned, financed, and helped execute every single uprising and terror related scheme in Xinjiang (aka East Turkistan and Uyghurstan)’

Xinjiang is an easy entry point for the U.S. (polysemous point), but you don’t consider that they already have entered, that there is a legitimate problem with terrorism in the region, and that this is being dealt with does not prove cultural genocide.