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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/916523

Sen. Bernie Sanders is once again calling for a higher federal minimum wage. The current rate has been $7.25 since 2009.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not democrats, the progressives that should be in their own party. Democrats are gonna let it fizzle out like they always do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Third candidates don't even work, so that will only backfire unless First Past the Post voting is replaced.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I aint chasing the carrot on a stick any longer. I've got no healthcare, minimum wage from the early 2000's, working my ass off against spiked inflation in record heatwaves. They are not the party that's going to help me with any of these things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not a carrot, it's a political razor wire. You cannot charge through it, and doing so is a strategically bad move that only makes things worse (also like that trope where multiple people die in a row doing the same thing they are warned not to do). And thus far it seems like progressives in the house/senate pushes the party left (or at least slows rightward movement) more than failed 3rd-party runs ever will. Particularly because of the legislative process and actual chances of votes passing.

Also unless I'm missing something, "candidate is too progressive to win against the greater evil, so we must choose corporate" is the biggest part of the Democrats that ratchets us down here. If everybody ignored that and voted for progressive candidates, the party would have a chance at being progressive (at least until establishing some form of ranked voting prevents spoiled votes).

So it's that, grassroot movements, and/or something else. Using your half (if even that) of an ineffective system to change itself is not going to work quickly or reliably. The reason many things are so bad is shady groups on the right made long-term plans to reverse old losses, and then used their money/positions/influence to inch towards them over decades.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Im not here complaining that progress is too slow, it's legitimately moving the opposite way. Im not going that way anymore. Im not gonna support grandpa telling unions they cant collectively bargain anymore. Im not gonna support his oil drilling bill, Im not gonna support him ignoring minimum wage, Im not gonna support him abandoning the uninsured poor. I dont support what democrats stand for now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok, but the Republicans want to make it even worse for you so would you rather try and push the Dems to be better or throw away votes to a third party with no power?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

At this point I believe I have better odds of things being better voting third party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you keep voting for the lesser of two evils you end up with the most evil imaginable.