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[–] QuazarOmega 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genuine question, why not?

[–] yogurtwrong 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The problem is mirrors don't have a certain appearance, they change texture based on what's in front of them and because of that the brain doesn't have a static model of it so the brain just mixes everything you've ever seen in a mirror together while trying to render it

Some people see just normal things some people see nothing and some see real fucked up shit like their face getting torn apart or something. If you panic while looking at a mirror in a dream, your brain knows what you fear way more than you

Another thing to consider is the human brain being also able to render really high quality images and animations.

[–] QuazarOmega 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh that's interesting, I didn't consider that, by the way is the brain really capable of reproducing life-like experiences or do we just fool ourselves into believing that our dreams were somehow more organic than they truly are?

[–] yogurtwrong 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I don't know and we might never know. Brain creates the image and watches the image

But in my experience with lucid dreams objects have really high quality textures. You can even feel the bumpiness when you touch them it's mind blowing

I hate to say it but I have an IQ of 130 maybe that's why my dreams are extremely high quality

Only stuff with complex random patterns which you don't see regularly in real life have sections you can't remember. Sometimes those sections are filled with other parts of the object, sometimes they are filled with a generated pattern. These "filled" sections are generally blurry or smudgy

Some experiments I made:

  • If you try to "load" a lot of these complex objects world just starts shaking and crashes.
  • You don't wake up at morning if the world crashes, you just wake up at the middle of the night. And if you have a smartwatch the sleep graph shows that you jumped from directly REM to Awake, skipping light sleep
  • I set up a recording of myself saying "can you hear me inside the dream" to play while I'm in the REM cycle. You can hear the real world inside a dream even when you're not lucid
  • When you tell dream characters "you're a part of my dream. You're not real" they panic and scream in fear while running around which "crashes" the dream
  • I generally create a "god" which helps me manage the world much easily. One time I asked that "god" to show me a color I've never seen. It was beautiful, kind of close to magenta but words can't describe the beautiful color I saw there (or maybe thats what my brain wants me to think)
  • Computers and phones doesn't work. Icons and text look garbled
  • Physics are glitchy. Objects fall in fixed speed unlike the real world. There's literally no impact response. Collisions either feel like you hit an immovable object or cussions
  • Light is not simulated as individual photons. In other words your brain doesn't have RTX. Reflective objects like mirrors dont work. Turned off screens and cars simply dont reflect anything, they just look either matte or glossy.

I feel like I'm writing a bug report to god lmao

Those are my personal experiences anyways. Idk if everyone's dreams work like that

[–] QuazarOmega 2 points 1 year ago

That's actually really cool, I never experienced lucid dreams so that's why I was asking.

I feel like I'm writing a bug report to god lmao

Got it, removing dreams altogether in the next patch, enjoy the void suckers ;)

[–] Smokeydope 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gold mine of a post thanks for sharing your experiences.

when you tell dream characters they aren't real they panic and scream in fear

This one is particularly interesting, do you have any further details like what exactly they scream or why this might happen. Are dream characters psudo-sentient consciousnesses like tulpas that literally have an existential crisis when you point out the nature of their reality?

Have you ever tried to render and touch a highly complex mathematical/abstract object like the Mandelbrot set? This may be a good way to test just how much 'resolution' your brain can render since fractals contain infinite detail.

[–] yogurtwrong 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well we don't know what consciousness is yet but I think if the human brain can handle one "consciousness" it can handle multiple partial ones, especially when in dreams where your brain can run much more efficient. But as I said we need to know what consciousness is before we can answer this question

I also think multiple personality disorders prove that human brain can simulate multiple people

Some characters don't panic and calmly ask questions like "Will I die if you wake up", "Is my whole life a lie, am I just an actor to you". It geniunely makes you feel bad for simulated characters inside your brain. That's why I don't do that much

Have you ever tried to render and touch a highly complex mathematical/abstract object like the Mandelbrot set?

Imma try that next time but it will prob just crash or look blurry. But the brain doesn't work with maths, it's more similar to an image generation AI

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why doesn't the brain just enable ray tracing ? Is it stupid ?

edit: bruh I just read your next comment and you have already kinda made the joke