this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2023
1240 points (98.7% liked)

Reddit

13435 readers
4 users here now

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] melonpunk 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One way I'm looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.

I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can't control/own the data.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

as long as we are vigilant for the microsoft method of embrace, extend, extingush/enshittify we will be good.

[–] melonpunk 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I look forward to the day of Lemmy IE6 with custom activex features.

[–] Marxine 3 points 2 years ago

This comment triggered war flashbacks in me

[–] Risk 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How would that realistically happen on Lemmy?

[–] Aurix 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Server costs, lawyers, management will add up eventually. Ads or other financial incentives will take part in this at some point. The biggest instance, which will have the most funding, could monopolize by defederating others. Though with future account portability it could be made impossible. As in if reddit was the instance, most communities and users would seamlessly move over to others. But right now the risk is real.

Beehaw just defederated lemmy.world and users have to either move with the bigger fediverse of lemmy.world or stay confined to their isolated instance.

[–] dissonant 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Aurix 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Too few moderators, poor modding tools, no backchannel to original instance, overwhelming amount of users from big instance.

[–] dissonant 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

New to the fediverse, I notice I can still access my beehaw.org subs. Does defederating mean that users on that instance can't see out? Or does it just delist everything, but you can access other communities if you know the address?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

if you are in an instance that was not defederated by beehaw, then nothing changes for you or them.

if you are on an instance that was defederated, then you see a snapshot of old behaw content, possibly updated content from beewaw, but beehaw wont get updates from your defederated instance. local interactions and other instances still federated with your instance are unaffected.

important to note that beehaw will likely refederate once the current wave dies down and more admin and mod tools are in place.

beehaw admins have the right to manage their instance as they see fit and beehaw users have the right to disagree and move to another instance if they choose (while still remaining on the lemmy network).

edit: words - they be hard sometimes.

[–] dissonant 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Got it. Is there a way to move your account from instance to instance, or do you have to make a new account?

[–] Marxine 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately as of now you have to make a new one :(

[–] dissonant 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you happen to know if that's something the devs are working towards? I assume it's possible bc Mastodon can and they're both based on AP. I think the ability to switch instances and preserve your history would be a big draw to people.

[–] Marxine 2 points 2 years ago

I particularly don't know about developments in this feature, but it's definitely a welcome one. Maybe having a local (or maybe on a registered email) periodic backup of your comments, upvotes, joined communities and saved topics, and being able to export and import it would be the most viable solution for instance hopping.

[–] Marxine 2 points 2 years ago

Damn... beehaw seem kinda "trigger happy" in defederating. Shame because I subscribed to a few communities there.

If they refederate, do we still keep the subscriptions? Or do we have to subscribe again to the communities?

[–] instamat 8 points 2 years ago

I’m brand new to the fediverse concept so funded hosting hadn’t occurred to me. Yeah, let the big boys throw some money at it and we reap the benefits!