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I don’t use XMR, period. But that’s not the point here. The point is you’re just describing L1 networks, not anything that’s special about XMR.
Can you pay your rent with XMR? No. Can you pay for a meal down the street with XMR? No. Can you buy some physical item that you need for every day life with XMR? No. Can you pay your rent with XMR? No. Can you buy virtual goods with XMR? Yeah, probably. Can you buy anything you want with an app/service/offramp that converts your XMR to fiat and pays the vendor in fiat? Yeah, most likely, but then you’re using XMR as more of a savings account with variable interest.
Can I walk over to a BTC atm and purchase bitcoin in cash? Yes! Can I buy virtual goods with BTC? Yes! Can I pay for some physical goods with BTC? Yeah, maybe kinda, but also maybe not due to US laws and retailers wanting to comply with US tax code. Under the table? Sure, but that’s true of any crytpo or really anything. Find a cool rock? Trade it for drugs! Idk.
Not the most fair comparison but my point is that XMR and BTC function the same as far as it goes being a “currency”. The only functional difference between the two is that one has more adoption, which is just a product of popularity and time. This may change for XMR. may change.
And they still are? This a weird angle. I think you may be looking at a very narrow version of currency. I’m calling currency anything that can be traded for goods and services, ideally something that’s more useful than just trading it for more currency of a different type (convert to fiat).
But then, trading you are doing, are you not? Each time you buy XMR, you buy it in fiat, which is a trade. You then trade it back to fiat, which is another trade. The cryptocurrency is volitile, so timing it is important and now we’re betting.
No, you’ve talked about hiding your transactions, which .. is security. Security in your peice of mind that your transactions are private. Security by way of obsfucation, which isn’t security as I’ve explained.
You mean decoy transactions which are meant to… obsfucate the true transactions? That’s obsfuscation.
Look, I’m not a cop but I write code. An investigation would start with a real transaction that was flagged, likely via some automated means. If I were tasked with hunting this down, I would just need to write a script to do so. You’re honestly making me want to give this a try, so if you feel you can point me in the direction of a good example that I could use as a challenge, let me know. No promises for any result any time soon but it would be fun to try to understand. My gut tells me that it’s not only possible, but very easy to do.
Granted, as a human with only web based tools, it’s near impossible, I understand what you are saying. But, some humans code…
You "buy" fiat by trading your time (working). You see, if you use this angle, everything can be considered a currency or can be deemed as not a currency because you trade something else to get it.
I don’t get why you’re so obsessed with the term "security". No, privacy and anonymity isn’t linked to the security aspect of XMR transactions. It just feels like you’re being dishonest about it.
I code too, I know what I’m talking about, it isn’t for anything that even the US government is looking to identify XMR transactions
Listen, I told you the thing that made XMR a good choice for currency usage: it’s the privacy aspect. You don’t want it? Good, XMR isn’t for you then. There are plenty of good alternatives!
Stablecoins can be controversial but are easy to use and you don’t really have to think. 1 USDT is 1 USD.
BTC is really known and accepted pretty much everywhere crypto is accepted, but has high fees and slow blockchain inclusion.
ETH is great for… making shitcoins I guess? And it’s nice that they changed to a more eco-friendly proof system.
LTC is BTC but with lower fees and fast blockchain inclusion, but it is less known.
I’m not trying to kill other cryptos, but I don’t get why you’re shit talking about XMR when you obviously don’t know the coin, and act like I said it was the best crypto in the world when I didn’t (although it’s my preferred one), and act like I said it was more secure and other nice things that I’ve just never said, or didn’t word this way.
privacy is a form of security my guy.
So google isn’t secure? Yea nah. You use security to protect your privacy, but privacy doesn’t mean security in itself.
I hardly disagree on that.
then why are you churning bro? if you don’t want privacy what is the point of even trying to fake privacy by obsfucation?
When did I say I didn’t want privacy? The systems in place to make decoys blend in transactions are perfectly secure and do indeed use cryptography.
They are in themselves secure as they work and can’t be worked around, but they do not make transactions more secure.
But come on, you must be doing this on purpose now.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15334570
Outdated + only applies to people who churn in a bad way. I know what I’m doing buddy.
I also don’t think XMR transactions had a minimum output count set to 2 before, which was a pretty big giveaway of churning being used.
But even when not churning, you don’t really expose yourself to any risk. Sure you could distinguish yourself from the rest of the blockchain, but it doesn’t do anything to the external eye as they still don’t know on which account the coin currently is.
Bro, you are literally giving tips on how to money launder, and poor tips at that.
You seem to want to be caught by police, so you do you bro.
That’s not money laundering but okay
If you have no interest in privacy, then we can stop talking now, as Monero will be of no use to you.
I take it you pay taxes on your monero, then?
Actually, yes I do lol
(Never admit you don’t, governments check your social media posts for admission of guilt)
But surely you pay taxes on your crypto incomes too :)
buddy, crypto uses cryptography. you aren’t putting extra crypto on top of that. give me a break. how would the network handle your transactions?!
decoys are obsfucation and obsfucation isn’t security. I am not the first person to say this; go read krebs on security. I got that memo years ago.
you are increasing your privacy in one very small and tiny way: you are making it harder for newbs to easily follow your transactions. are you concerned about newbs discovering your transactions or literally anyone with any sort of programming background.
keep in mind that the cryptography you are dealing with here has to do with accessing your funds (moving or receiving) via your wallet, that’s what crypto does. by making decoy transactions, you are actually painting a big target on your back, sort of the opposite of privacy. you’re associating your transactions with decoy transactions, which means it is more likely to get noticed.
seriously kid, go read up on how a linked list works, or a tree. it doesn’t matter what you do to try to obsfucate your transactions; if they worked on the chain, they are very much traceable.
but do give me a whitepaper or example transaction to look into. I could use a laugh. and maybe consider stopping painting a target on your back but hey.. you do you man.