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[–] [email protected] 178 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It may be the last few years of the free web because of Google. Their goals are clear.

Please switch to Firefox, another search engine and another email provider...

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I've long been trying to de-googlify myself, but it's certainly ramped up this year. Been trying out Kagi and just set up proton mail account. Not sure what I'll land on in the end but it's nice trying out newer services.

[–] nomadjoanne 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is hard when you have a business. You really have to actively try to stay away from them. They control so much business infrastructure.

I know my business partner (god bless him, great friend but...) is super into big tech and every new product they offer. So it's a bit of an uphill battle.

And I'm lucky. I own my own firm. Most people don't have such a luxury.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Google server infrastructure products are almost universally worse than Amazon's. The interfaces, APIs, and documentation look like they were designed by people who don't understand humanity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Most importantly, they are designed by people that don't use them. Amazon uses AWS themselves, Google doesn't use GCP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least they're not as bad as Microsoft. Azure is a goddamn dog with fleas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I am fortunate enough to have never had MS servers forced upon me.

[–] nomadjoanne 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not too hard. The most important things are web search and email. I still use Google Maps. But I don't want my private emails and searches at a company who is user hostile and preditory.

[–] noughtnaut 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I quite disagree, it is very hard. Sure, switching search engine takes all of two seconds, and email can be had from many vendors free and commercial.

But calendaring! A calendar that is at least somewhat integrated with am email client, supports more than one actual calendar, and has real-world capability to share them with others - "if you succeed in this, two me how."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My calendaring needs might be less restrictive than yours, but Proton offers a nice calendar that from what I understand offers at least some integration with their e-mail client. Have you checked it out?

I use Nextcloud self-maintained on a VPS myself for all my calendaring needs, which is basically keeping track of appointments, syncing via CalDAV to my phone, as well as sharing some sub-calendars with other people. Setting up a Nextcloud-server is admittedly a bit more hassle than just signing up for a service, but also here there are options of making it a bit easier than hosting yourself.

I find Google Maps by far the hardest service to rid myself off, followed by Gmail (the time it takes!!! Been using Proton for two years, still not completely rid of my Gmail-account). I'm slowly getting used to using OSM-based map services more and more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

CalDav? Integrated in nextcloud. Or Mailcow. Why does it needs to be integrated with e-mail? Thunderbird is able to add all invitations or reminders into my CalDav Account.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Fastmail calendar is pretty good. Just a random page about them: https://www.fastmail.com/blog/shared-calendars/

[–] noughtnaut 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fastmail

Ohh, this does indeed look quite fantastic. I am certainly going to look more into this. Thank you!

_Edit: Ah, but $50/user/year. For the whole family that adds up real fast. Still, nice tip.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I found out about Kagi from another Lemmy user and I've been really impressed. I feel like I'm getting better results than Google. I'm using their Personalized Results feature and it helps a ton!

[–] LeHappStick 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Any recommendations for free email providers?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Any recommendations for free email providers?

I'm using proton. I like it a lot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Nothing is free. How would they make money as a company to pay employees and pay hosting bills?

All these big tech companies are free exactly because they are preditory on users.

Pay for good email like Fastmail or Proton.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand the sentiment, but email is a necessary part of modern life and not everyone has the luxury of paying for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of things are necessary parts of modern live and you also have to pay for it, a mobile plan for your smartphone for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a smartphone but not a mobile plan for years. People can get very creative when times are tough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I think everybody should have the guarantee for social participation, I'm just saying that Email is no exception. If you did not have a mobile plan for whatever reason, you were just not participating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not really; I could do everything everyone else was doing; just not make phone calls or send sms texts. I used wifi to connect to the net and I could still make emergency calls. Im actually considering going back to that to save money, lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, Proton, which you just mentioned, also has a free tier, which is just as usable as Gmail is for 90% of people, myself included.

[–] LeHappStick 0 points 1 year ago

Nah then gmail is good enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Register your own domain name with Gandi and they gift you free email with a choice of two webmail interfaces. It's really good, and owning the domain name enables moving to a different provider later if you wish.