Oh I'm sure in the ToS it mentions that we don't own anything and they have the right to cut access whenever they want for any reason and that you can't sue them for it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not a lawyer, but I vaguely remember hearing that Terms of Service can't protect a company from everything. I seriously doubt a company could get away with that when it was brought to court.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah but proving that would cost more than any of us could ever afford

[–] LufyCZ 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what class actions are for

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, they got it covered:

for any claim related to these Terms of Sale or our Products ... you may invoke binding arbitration by filing a separate Demand for Arbitration. ... (c) either party may bring a claim in small claims court in lieu of arbitration; ... (i) claims must be brought in the parties' individual capacity, and not as a plaintiff or class member in any purported class or representative proceeding. You hereby agree that for any dispute or claim that is less than $10,000 USD, you waive any right to a trial (by judge or jury), you waive any right to participate as a member of a class in a class action or similar proceeding.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Of course, but OP brought up that they couldn't be sued. I was just pointing out that if someone was willing to test it, I bet they could come out on top.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep

Ubisoft reserves the right to terminate Ubisoft+ or any of the Ubisoft+ Services, at any time and for any reason, with at least thirty (30) day notice to you.

And yep:

you waive any right to a trial (by judge or jury), you waive any right to participate as a member of a class in a class action or similar proceeding

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If it wasn't in the terms and they deleted your account, what would you do? And would that action be different than if account deletion was outlined in a terms agreement?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt it would tbh. It's more or less equivalent to Nintendo shutting down the eshop, or an MMO terminating its online service.

You do not own digital games, you own a license to use a service that may or may not be provided to you.

[–] WindyRebel 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hmm.

Pretty sure you don’t own ANY games anymore, unless you fully pirate them. The physical discs aren’t big enough to have the full game and really contain the license to play, which is why downloads and updates are prevalent before you get to play on most systems.

Is this correct or have I read incorrectly online?

If I’m correct, then my point is really that if players let this stand then a company can do anything to any game you’ve “bought”.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Depends. Some console games contain the entirety of the game. However oftentimes they still might require a system update to play, which won't be available forever.

So yeah, you don't really own anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure you don’t own ANY games anymore, unless you fully pirate them

Or if you buy them on GOG