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Spain's conservatives miss out on all-out victory as left celebrates (www.bbc.co.uk)

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[–] huojtkeg -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want to spend time defending VOX because I don't like them. Some of the things you said are right but exaggerated. They want stronger laws against crimes and illegal immigration, it's not against human rights. Franco's death was 50 years ago, please move on, Spain is a totally different country now. The friends of wealthy people are PP and PSOE (or any with politic power). They are in favor of universal free education and universal free healthcare, but the services must be provided by private companies because it's more efficient than public employees.

Please do not insult my intelligence saying the people has more rights and economic well being with the "communists". If you really live in Spain I don't have to explain you that the economy is worse than ever. You are poorer every day even if you don't know the data. Spain was the 8th most rich country per capita in 2005, close to France and Italy. Now we are 36 and going down => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

The communist try to solve all the problems with

laws that limit the individual rights and the personal property. you own nothing, the state will give you the things you need as long as you vote me
tax to the wealthy and private companies. i could agree, but if you earn 30.000€ / year you are considered rich. That's 1500€ * 14 months. if you earn that you are not rich by any means but they want to tax you to death. we have few companies and few wealthy people, soon won't be anything to tax
public workers and state owned companies. sumar/podemos has in his electoral program state owned banks, state owned houses, state owned utilities, state owned transport, state owned pensions, state owned education, state owned health, state owned news/tv

They want to apply in Spain the policies that have failed in all communist countries. All of them very democratic and Sumar supports them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm German and I can tell you that the state-owned vs private discussion is quite complex. In Germany the train, post service, telephone/internet, and many more things were state-owned not to long ago (about 20-25 years most of them). Nowadays many of them are private. The train is expensive, run down and horribly unreliable. The CEOs have salaries going up to almost a million Euros per year. Our health system is the 2nd most expensive one in the world and it's quite a shit-show. Mobile internet is expensive, even though there is some competition in that market.

There are simply things that shouldn't be optimized to make the biggest profit but to profit the people! Education, health and housing are good examples.

[–] huojtkeg 1 points 1 year ago

That's a competition problem. If its a monopoly and you just change the owner you are not solving anything. The state job must be guarantee the competition, not to run all kind of business.

With the levels of corruption, unemployment and nepotism in Spain the less state the better., They want to run state owned business to give jobs to his familys, friends and politics. All state owned business here give really bad service and they lost hundreds of millions every year that are paid by all taxpayers, not just the users.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I don't have a dog in the fight and unfortunately I can't read the Spanish sources above but I appreciate you taking the time to defend your point even when you won't get any love on this site.