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The Vilnius summit could have achieved much more, if only the political willpower had allowed it

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's no chance NATO'll grant Ukraine membership. It is right next to Russia, and NATO is scared to upset Putin.

There's a good reason that Zelenskyy states often & publicly that they'll take back Crimea. It is because, imho, NATO would be happy for Putin to have Crimea as a face-saver. But the Ukrainians have lost too much and know that kicking Russia out of every inch of Ukraine is the only guarantee that they'll be safe from future special operations.

NATO likes a weakened Russia but still wants to appease Putin. May they're afraid of what'll happen if he gets deposed. Or maybe he has kompromat on the leaders.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Finland is also right next to Russia, in fact St Petersburg is only 100 miles from the border. And by "border", that now means "NATO border."

So maybe NATO doesn't really care what Putin thinks about its membership.

[–] Djennik 5 points 1 year ago

One of the reasons of not granting NATO membership was indeed in fear of russian retaliation. Russia took Crimea and invaded Donbas since then even without the membership promise. Putin is already upset so no reason not to bestow the membership on Ukraine.

Kicking out Russia is next to impossible as they've dug in. What Ukraine has in superior weaponry, Russia has in numbers. Time is bad for both parties, but worse for Ukraine, as Western fatigue will inevitably come.

[–] Mindlight 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"There's no chance NATO'll grant Ukraine membership. It is right next to Russia, and NATO is scared to upset Putin."

While I agree that the chances for Ukraina bring admitted is next to slim I definitively don't agree with your opinion on why it will not happen.

You do understand that Ukraine is literally the only democracy in Europe that shares borders with Russia and is not a member of NATO?

[–] Gramatikal 2 points 1 year ago

Also, don't forget that Ukraine has sihnificant oil & gas reserves in the East as well as contributing an enormous amount to the world's food supply. Having the chance to get those things in the hands of a far friendlier country, I think NATO will put a lot of effort into getting Ukraine solidly on our side.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is not a member of NATO because Merkel (Putin's useful idiot or agent, take your pick) would not allow it.

While I agree that the chances for Ukraina bring admitted is next to slim

Why, in your opinion, is that?