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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.

Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.

It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.

Yeah that's a lot of words to tell me my empathy for people not like me is a problem.

[–] Yawweee877h444 -5 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.

Nope. I'm saying the LGBT stuff doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does. It's amplified as a propaganda tactic to get bigots votes. They get power, which results in bigoted policies to keep power.

Your empathy is irrelevant if you have no power, which you don't. Do you not recognize that it's getting worse for the LGBT community? Potentially way fucking worse.

Your way isn't working, because you don't understand that it's not actually your way, it's the wealthy in power that have you hyperfocused on anything other than them hoarding wealth and consolidating power, and destroying what rights and freedom we have left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It matters far more than you are giving it credit. Throwing one group under the bus is immoral and we should oppose it because of that, but it is also just stupid tactically. Our strength is solidarity. Everyone for everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world.

[–] Yawweee877h444 -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It matters far more than you are giving it credit.

Throwing one group under the bus

It does not, and I'm absolutely not throwing them under the bus.

I've already said, inherently and foundationally, leftists support protections for minorities of all types, period. It should be really easy. It doesn't matter in the sense that it's simple, bigots who discriminate against any minority should be an extreme outlier. The problem we have is a long term lack of education and cultural indoctrination that supports bigotry. Because of this there's way more ignorance and bigotry than there should be. The cure for this really is widespread education. We can't educate if we have no power.

We can't fix it without power. The true moral thing to do is logically understand how to get power. Keeping immigrant and LGBT issues at the top, is just getting the right to win. Hell, even immigrants went more for trump this election.

everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world

This is the most important thing, but in a way that actually works. The oligarchs are winning and getting more of the masses on their side, because they're using the immigrant and LGBT issue stuff to rally they're supporters to get votes and keep power. Conservatives are winning all over the world, and they all use these tactics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

“The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.” - Le Guin

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