Meta note : am not sure if this is on topic for this community, please tell me if it is not. I could not find rules, so I assume it's okay, but i'll remove it if its not.
So, after the recent Mozilla privacy drama, I saw multiple recommendations of alternative browsers, each one with their pros and cons. I was trying to get a better understanding of which one was good/bad for which reasons, and I thought i might share it here so people with more knowledge can correct my takes.
Here is what I could get so far, based mostly on Lemmy comments and Wikipedia pages. This is aimed at browser that share some of Firefox values (foss, independency, (maybe) privacy, etc), so I excluded Chrome, Edge, and others. I'm open to any feedback/infos/browser suggestions to get a more accurate summary !
Browser | FOSS | Privacy | Features | Browser Family [^browserfamily] | Platforms | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Firefox | ✅ | ❌ | ✅ | Firefox | WMLAI | AI interest |
Brave | ✅ | 🟠[^braveprivacy] | ✅ | Chromium | WMLAI | Crypto interest[^bravecrypto], bigot CEO[^braveceo] |
Vivaldi | 🟠[^vivaldifoss] | 🟠[^vivaldiprivacy] | ✅ | Chromium | WMLAI | Aims to be a better Opera |
Ungoogled Chromium | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Chromium | WMLA | Removes Google tracking and specific components |
Cromite | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Chromium | WLA | Removes most Google tracking and keeps some specific components |
Zen Browser | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Firefox | WML | |
Librewolf | ✅ | ✅ | 🟠[^lwfeatures] | Firefox | WML | [^lwsecurity] |
Waterfox | ✅ | 🟠[^wfprivacy] | ✅ | Firefox | WMLA | |
Floorp | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Firefox | WML | |
GNU IceCat | ✅ | ❓ | ✅ | Firefox | WML | Firefox without copyrighted content and with a bit more privacy |
Tor Browser | ✅ | ✅ | 🟠[^torfeatures] | Firefox | WMLA | |
IronFox | ✅ | ✅ | ❓ | Firefox | A | |
Mullvad Browser | ✅ | ✅ | ❌[^mullvadfeatures] | Independent | WML | Made by the Tor team and Mullvad (VPN providers) |
Ladybird | ✅ | ❓[^lbprivacy] | 🟠 | Independent | ML | Very early development stage, bigot devs[^lbdev] |
Orion Browser | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Independent | MAI | In beta, claims to be top browser in terms of tracker blocking, considers making a Windows version, AI interest[^\orionai] |
Notes :
Privacy
is based on Firefox level, which I considered "bad" for the sake of the comparison.Browser family
is the browser on which each is browser is based, mostly Chromium, Firefox or none. I first called it Engine and it was unclear.Features
is to identify barebones browsers and how much risk there is to find websites not compatible with those browsers. Question mark is for when there is a debate or I could not find infos.Platforms
is for the platforms on which the browser is available. To keep it tight, only one letter per platform : W for Windows, M for macOS, L for GNU/Linux, A for Android, I for iOS.
contributors : [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
[^browserfamily]: most browsers are fork of or rely on another browser. The two main "source" browsers are Chromium and Firefox, resulting here in three main categories : Chromium-based, Firefox-based and Independent. This is sometimes called the engine, though technically the engine is different (engines are Gecko (used by Firefox), Blink (used by Chromium), Webkit (used by Safari and Orion), and also Ladybird and Servo which are in development). [^braveprivacy]: they have a lot of optional data collecting, from their Privacy Policy [^bravecrypto]: from Brave's Wikipedia page. [^braveceo]: from his personal Wikipedia page. [^vivaldifoss]: some parts are open source, but the UI is proprietary [^vivaldiprivacy]: they collect data for statistics, from their Privacy Policy [^lwfeatures]: some websites may be blocked due to stricter privacy setups, according to LinuxSecurity's article cited on Wikipedia. [^lwsecurity]: some users seemed to fear that having a small team, Librewolf would be late on security patches, but their FAQ seems to say it's ok. [^wfprivacy]: from Waterfox's Wikipedia page, linking to Exodus report stating that android version of Waterfox uses same trackers as Firefox. [^torfeatures]: some websites might block tor network [^mullvadfeatures]: lemmy users said it is barebones and their FAQ says it has little features by design to prevent fingerprinting. [^lbprivacy]: could not find infos on their website or wikipedia page. Probably not that bad, but since it is in early development, it may evolve in better ways than other. [^lbdev]: from their github, considering gender neutral wording is politics and does not belong in ladybird. [^\orionai]: from the Kagi Wikipedia page and lemmy comments.
Edit 1 : added Vivaldi, Floorp and Ironfox, clarify 'Engine dependency' column, add 'Platforms' column, add bigot warning for ladybird.
Edit 2 : added [email protected] table (Tor, Ungoogled chromium, Cromite) and IceCat, updated info on Vivaldi
Edit 3 : add Orion Browser, corrects lines to group browser together by engine, added users whose infos I used via edits
Edit 4 : corrected Brave and Opera Privacy
rating.
Edit 5 : removed Opera since both Privacy and FOSS would be bad. Updated Vivaldi Privacy rating.
Edit 6 : changing Engine
category to Browser Family
and adding explanation.
That doesn't make sense. If people leave Firefox for a Firefox fork and eventually Firefox may go down, all its forks are fucked as well. So these browsers don't have Engine Independence.
Yes, it's just to make the difference between Chromium (dependent on already bad dependency) and Firefox based (dependent on maybe bad dependency in the future). I agree that both are technically at the same level of straight up independence which is bad, its just to use the 3-tier notation
Why would the forks be fucked as well?
Because nobody but Mozilla is developing the actual rendering engine. A fork that only changes a few defaults, the branding, and pre-installs uBlock is not a proper fork that can live on without the originating project developing.
Couldn't they start asking for donations to continue the work?
The issue is, do they have the know-how for developing/maintaining a browser/engine?
If they manage to get ex-Firefox devs on board then they might be fine, but otherwise if they're on their own then that's like asking electricians and painters to build/maintain an entire house. They might not have the knowledge/experience to do so.
They should be able to build up the expertise, but I see your point. Hopefully we'll get proper firefox alternatives in the future.
The problems with Firefox isn't Gecko, it's the data harvesting, advertising ID, and selling of data that's a problem. LibreWolf patches that all that crap out. It's tenable for now, but it's very possible that Mozilla will take things further in the future.
It's nowhere near as fucked as Chromium is.
I get that but unless I'm missed news about that, LibreWolf developers do not contribute to Gecko.
Mozilla relies on affiliate ID use for web searches etc. for revenue which then funds development. If everyone moves over to LibreWolf, all that funding would break away.
LibreWolf etc. need to find a way to contribute to Gecko development to be sustainable. I don't have a good idea for how to best achieve this.