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The canary has been screaming its lungs out since Bill Clinton introduced his racist anti-immigrant bill in 1997, but both Republicans and Democrats have not only ignored its cries, but hastened its situation. Both parties have created this. Don't think this won't affect us all.
Are you seriously both sidesing this shit?
What everyone else said.
I'm also going to gently mention that Rule 2: "No defending oppressive systems or organizations" includes defending the Democratic Party, since this is a well-known and well-documented example of a destructive, genocidal, racist, and anti-queer organization, by any metric.
Democrats and Republicans are on one side, the side opposed to anyone seeking communities based on compassion and equity.
Ok I guess this is not* the place for me.
Or maybe it's just the place for you. It's important to identify our mutual enemies so we can work to remove them and dismantle their systems.
Politicians do not serve your interests. They serve their own, and they serve their masters.
Your side actually consists of your fellow workers. The other side consists of the capitalist class who are fucking you over and robbing you blind. National level politicians are members of the capitalist class.
When you get upset at "both sidesing" it's because you haven't internalized what the sides actually are.
You mean the Blue Business Party of Rich People and their Owners and the Red Business Party of Rich People and their Owners are not actually on the side of the working class?
Yeah. What the fuck, lol. So this happened under Biden too, huh?
Biden bragged about deporting even more than Trump, and do you think he closed the concentration camps? Harris ran on an anti-immigrant platform and even ran a wildly racist campaign ad. Obama was notorious for imprisoning and deporting Latinx immigrants. And Bill Clinton is solely responsible for spreading the concept of an "illegal immigrant" with his 1997 IIRIRA. Yes, Clinton is the one who did the kickoff for the anti-immigration trend we've been suffering under ever since.
Maybe you're young, maybe you don't have family who are personally impacted, maybe you haven't read history, but trust me when I say the Democrats are a racist party that fully subscribe to and act on using Eugenicist rhetoric as their platform. They are just as complicit as Republicans. (They just try to sound more polite so they don't offend white liberals.)
So to answer your question: Yes, it happened under Biden. The difference is liberals failed to speak against it (and in many cases even excused it) because the villain was wearing a blue tie.
Obama deported more than any president before him.
He was the one who initially hired Homan. The guy doing this shit now. You know, the asshole bitching that people are telling other people what their rights are.
So yeah. It did happen, and it continues to happen. One side just "acts civilly" while enabling fascism, the other side actively advances it.
The acceptance of fascist arguments prima facie: "immigration is a problem," "immigrants do more crime," and other fascist narratives rather than rejecting them results in the advancement of fascist narratives.
The war has been on since the beginning, and we're gonna keep losing as long as they keep us talking about everything but the money vs the rest of us.