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Why Democrats Won’t Throw a Real Punch (www.thenation.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

You havn't given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees.

When did I assert that? Note that I've given you links for several points so far and you just ignore that you were wrong and pick at the rest. It's like creationists where every newly found "missing link" just creates two more missing links before and after. However, in full knowledge that this is a waste of time, here are some links.

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/27/obama-privately-vowed-to-intervene-in-primary-to-stop-bernie-sanders-from-winning-nomination-report/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/26/obama-privately-considered-leading-stop-bernie-campaign-combat-sanders-2020-surge

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-warns-2020-democrats-warren-sanders

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/barack-obama-joe-biden-2020-campaign-178115

And a quote from that last link:

But some of his aides now concede that behind the scenes Obama played a role in nudging things in Biden’s direction at the crucial moment when the Biden team was organizing former candidates to coalesce around Biden.

That's about as close as your going to get when it comes to back room deals. There were also a number of people from inside the campaigns and Obama's team that spoke to Obama's involvement, but those are harder to find and I doubt you would care anyways.

I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.

It's certainly a factor. However, it's the way the Democrats use identity politics to avoid real issues. Biden in particular blatantly uses these issues as a shield.

This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion,

Not really. It happens in every single contested Democratic primary, and voters rarely have an accurate understanding of where a race stands.

[–] btaf45 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Obama played a role in nudging things

Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote. There is no way that millions of people changed their votes because of anything Obama did. But yes, pretending there was an Evil Mastermind pulling the strings and controlling the votes of millions sounds a lot more exciting then the boring reality that a majority of voters, for whatever reason, did not understand how great of a politician Bernie Sanders is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote.

Yeah, talking to you is useless. I never said he did that. I explained exactly what I was talking about, and Obama directly influencing individual voters was not part of it. We're done.