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[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I'm back with better data. I'm assuming the travel path is perfectly flat because I don't feel like modeling elevation changes. I'm being energy efficient (read: lazy).

For cycling, I'm using the global average human weight of 62 kg, assuming the cycle is 8 kg, and the pace is 10 kph, which is pretty relaxed.

For walking, I'm using the 62 kg person walking at 4 kph.

For driving with petrol, we'll use the same spherical 62 kg human and a 2024 Toyota Prius with a fuel efficiency of 4.8 L/100 km and a mass of 1570 kg. One liter of petrol is approximately 8174 kcal. Double the energy expenditure for an estimate for your typical SUV.

For electric, I chose a 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N with an energy efficiency of 21.2 kWh/100km and a mass of 2235 kg. One kilowatt-hour is approximately 860 kcal.

Walking: 0.74 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Cycling: 0.34 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(p): 0.24 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(e): 0.08 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh really. It seems to contradict the graphics. Cars are also stupid efficient now. I also ran some quick calculations on my electric bike and it is crazy how many km*kWh⁻¹ you get and how little it cost to run.

I've heard about some research showing that an electric bike over it's entire lifetime is more environmentally friendly than a traditional one because the amount of extra food you need to consume without the electric help is over time more co2 than the co2 it costs to charge the battery. I don't know where the research is from since I just heard it from a colleague so don't quote me on it, but electric motors are really efficient so it sounds very plausible to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Electric bikes are super efficient, I'm a big fan.

While the petrol and electric vehicles are surprisingly efficient moving a given unit of weight, that also includes their own weight, constantly, making their overall energy use...not great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Wait so cars are more efficient than cycling now ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes and no. They take less energy to move a given unit of weight around, but they're massively heavy so they expend tons of energy moving themselves the entire time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Seems so. Even cheating it in favor of the bikes. But looking at electric car numbers it should make ebikes even more effecient.