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"Death to Israel" is not a promotion of genocide. I wish for the state of Israel to no longer exist. Israel is predicated on genocide, and is beyond redemption. Imagine thinking that saying "death to Nazi Germany" was a genocidal statement.
.world mods doing what they do best, being no different than reddit.
Reddit never had mods like this, that i know of, this is legit crazy.
But "Death to Germany" would be if the idea was to kill or displace the majority of German.
Within a German context that in particular actually rather means death of the national idea, cf. Slime's Deutschland muss sterben, "Germany must die", which, as correctly recognised by the constitutional court, expresses a counterpoint to the Prussian/Nazi militaristic parole "Germany must live, even if we shall die". The song, taking up sentiment that the court traces back to at least 1844, turns that around into "Germany must die so we may live", reaffirming individual (and regional) freedom and identity in the face of an encroaching normative force of "Germanness".
You don't often see a constitutional court getting into analysis of a punk song but when it happens, well, it's glorious. And Nazis loathe that sentiment. Two years ago the Bundestag had a debate about regional and minority languages, the AfD was incapable of finding a single parliamentarian of theirs who spoke any. The thing is that while they're the ones shouting loudest about "protecting German culture", they're the last ones to actually value any culture from anywhere in Germany -- they want to replace everything with their own ideas, and German nationalism has been like that since pretty much forever. So, yes, Germany must die.
Very informative, thank you.
Sure, and "happy birthday" would be a genocidal statement if the idea was to kill or displace the majority of Scottish.
The intention matters, yes.
What would "Death to Palestine" mean to you? Is it a call for violence against Palestinians or is it a weird way to tell "Merry Christmas" ?
"Death to Palestine" is exactly what is happening, right along with "death to Palestinians". You are both-sidesing an active genocide. FOH.
I agree that there is a genocide going on, I'm just pointing out that it is a bit hypocritical to consider "Death to Israel" as being ok while any other "Death to X" being a call for violence.
Israel has as much right to exist than Palestine. And those who uses violence to further their agenda should be stopped at all cost, no matter the side they are on.
No, absolutely not. Palestinians have a right to violent struggle, as an occupied and oppressed people. That is a defensive and liberatory struggle. Israel's violence is that of genocide and colonialism.
"Death to [geographical place]" shouldn't be said by anyone. However it's meant, it's way too easy for people to take literally, and it provides cover for the few that actually do mean literal harm. Maybe you mean "down with Israel," but even that can be taken the wrong way. (Much like saying "down with [monarch]" would historically be understood to mean that monarch should die as opposed to stepping down.)
I really don't care how you take my opposition to a genocidal state. The crimes of Israel demand a much stronger international response than they are getting. You can cry about my tone but I think strong language is warranted. Hear me again: I do not want all "Israelis" killed. I want the state of "Israel" itself destroyed.
All I'm saying is that you should say what you mean then (as you did in this reply), and not what can very easily be used against you.
You do you, I'll do me.
That's the spirit.
Don't let these people take away our teeth and claws.