likely in response to my comments on the beehaw post, which i linked to (hopefully im doing this right?). apparently, calling people you dont know for the first time "they/them" before being told their pronouns is "misgendering". absurd. this kind of attitude threatens the larger LGBTQ community and is partially why cishets hate us after we won so much progress back in the 00s and 10s.
im a queer person. im neurodivergent. this shit is so goddamn fucking annoying, especially as an older queer who got physically assaulted on a near daily basis for being queer in the 90s. the kids today get their panties in a twist over being supposedly "misgendered" by someone calling them gender neutral pronouns before being corrected. narcissistic victimhood bullshit.
anyways, now banned from one of my favorite instances. meanwhile in the US theyre planning on hunting us. but yeah, lets ban fellow queers over their view that people who get mad about being "misgendered" when they arent (cis people are also referred to as "they/them" before further context in a conversation with a stranger) are just attention seeking brats that threaten the larger movement. its so obvious to me that the brats who find reason to be offended over innocent pronoun use never faced real adversity, like getting repeatedly physically beaten.
edit - the best part of all of this is i faced no moderation from beehaw and all of my comments are +1 or higher. power tripping oversensitive neurodivergent hating bastard of a mod over at blahaj IMO.
edit 2 - did this wrong. heres a link to the post i think got me banned from blahaj and a screenshot about it https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37659465
Edit 3 - apparently I did nothing wrong until I made my thoughts known about how the pronoun police fucked over the larger LGBTQ community as our rights are backsliding in America. Yall are gonna whine about being misgendered to the concentration camp guards at the rate we’re going. God forbid I be angry that while queers were busy fighting over pronouns our adversaries stuffed the courts, stuffed the school boards, couped the government, and are installing a fascist dictatorship. When I say that these fucking toddlers are going to learn what real oppression tastes like, that’s what I mean. It’s not that I want us to be hurt or oppressed (as the dog piling idiots have interpreted), it’s that the younger generation is weak as hell and lost the fucking plot in the fight for our rights. I grew up getting beaten in the streets for being queer only for these kids to claim their pronouns not being mind-read is oppression!
At times blahaj reminds me of lemmy.ml or grad. Probably plenty of decent users but the extremists are ruining it for everyone.
Some are probably actually bad actors - either paid or just so far in the tank, they can't see it's on fire.
.ml and grad are extremists on issues where their extreme position is morally repugnant - ie support for fascism with red paint.
Blahaj is more like Tumblr. Their basic positions are not generally repugnant, even when they're incorrect, but they have a tribal dogpile mentality over any minor heresy. It's annoying, but far from the harm that .ml and grad peddle.
.ml and grad cultivate actually repulsive and harmful views.
Blahaj just isolates itself with its behavior.
What extremist? Where? Is it the (upvoted) China romanticisation?
I'm on ml, it's pretty normal here.
Normal is pretty relative. Your ideas of normal is most people’s insane. Or, maybe they only behave like nuts on other instances.
.ml has some normal communities. There's not much politics in their programming coms, for example. If that user isn't in any of their bad communities they may only see the actually normal
Try asking about Tienanmen Square or the Uyghurs. Give some citations, when people order you what you’re allowed to conclude about it. You will quickly find your experience becoming no longer normal.
Then try the same experiment in mirror image in literally any other place. Bring up genocide in Gaza, the massacre of native Americans, Belgians in the Congo, or Trump’s horrifying mismanagement of Covid and the resulting death toll. There is a pretense among the Lemmy.ml moderators that they are just mirroring some kind of pro-US, pro-NATO echo chamber that exists on the “other side”, but this is a fantasy.
Try debunking Western narratives on Tienanmen Square or the Uyghurs on db0 or bunch of other instances. You will quickly find that echo chamber that exists on the other side is not just a fantasy.
And so what? The fact that Lemmy is a decentralized community, with instances owned and populated by people from all over the world with different worldviews, is actually the main advantage that Lemmy has over Reddit. The tendence of Lemmyverce to split into a few separated echo chambers is actually a cancer that is slowly killing Lemmy, and it doesn’t matter whether what is enforcing that cancer is pro-China or pro-EU.
Where is someone enforcing the pro-EU viewpoint, and banning anyone who disagrees with it?
Like I said, the pretense that lemmy.ml's authoritarianism exists in mirror image on the "other side" communities is one of their persistent pretenses, I guess as a sort of whataboutism to make it seem less comically wrong.
Trying to talking about German Nazis nepo babies on some EU instance and see how long you last haha
Which article about them should I try to post?
I was trying to look for one, but all I find is stuff about Elon Musk from a week or so ago.
The issue has been covered decently in the media over last few years, here is an example
https://www.ft.com/content/aea364f3-7b9d-499f-b3be-cb5051e39fdb
Mark Felton did a decent overview on how Nazis capital was used to rebuilt west Germany and these parasites' crotch fruit is now the core oligarch clan with in modern Germany. But can't really find that video any more lol
Which EU instance should I try to post it on? Feddit.org would be the obvious choice, but it doesn't quite have a fitting community that's English-language. I don't want it to get removed from [email protected] for not being news. Also it has a paywall. How about posting:
https://jacobin.com/2022/10/nazi-billionaires-businesses-denazification-de-jong-interview
To [email protected]?
LW is European, any community on it would fit
Lemmy.ee I think is where I got a ban.
But comments have been censored on other ones.
I'm responding to:
I'm sure you've been banned at some point, your modlog shows that sometimes you're a dick to people. As am I. It's all good. What we were talking about I think, was the idea that EU instances will censor you if you try to talk bad about EU countries.
I posted that article to the geopol community, even though it honestly doesn't even really fit there. Let's see what happens. It might get removed for legitimate or illegitimate reasons, or it might just stay up, let's see.
These comments got censored a few times.
I could be wrong but my point being that all instances have un written rules of what can be said before hammer comes out.
I have seen similar comments censored on reddit that's how I first noticed this pattern.
This is such a weird conversation.
If I misunderstood your original point, and you were saying that all instances have un written rules of what can be said, but they may not actually include bans for talking about German Nazis nepo babies on some EU instances, just moderation as a general concept, and that you have been subjected to moderation at some points in the past, that wouldn't have been applied to someone who was talking about German Nazis etc, then cool. But you can understand how I could have gotten that impression of that first thing.
I have only scene moderation of this talking point on EU focused subs on reddit and EU instance subs here.
Yeah, but you get what I'm saying too, right? I have not seen it. Maybe I missed it, that's why I am doing the experiment of posting some stuff that you say gets censored, to places where you say it's getting censored, and seeing if it gets censored.
FWIW, I've done the opposite experiment, commenting extensively on Xinjiang on lemmy.ml, and I didn't get censored that time that I did it, and it went on for a pretty long time. I just know that as a rule, the .ml instances sort of reserve the right for themselves to censor "wrong" points of view according to the Russian or Chinese government's definition of "wrong," in a way that Western server administrators do not do.
Sometimes, when people get moderated for being obnoxious, they might blame it on the point of view, but in my experience just doing an anti-EU point of view in an EU server is fine. Complaining about the government or past/present evils of their society is a pretty normal and common thing to do in Western culture, outside of weird propaganda spaces (which includes a lot of Western top-down media, which maybe is where some of the confusion comes in about it.)
Yeah I am following. I also think that ML reduced heavy handed modding as Lemmy is growing to reduce pushing away new users since they get mocked heavily for it which is bad PR.
Just to clarify mocking german nazi nepo babies is not anti EU, it is anti German capital and how it was created. Europeans likely germans will get bent out of shape over it. VW cleansed its reputation
Another one that the French will get bent out of shape is the CFA Franc regime, although that will just get down votes and screaching. I have not seen it out right censored like nazi nepo baby topic.
Yeah, I definitely agree with this. Which means that the mocking is a worthwhile thing to do, since it's increasing the ability for people to speak freely on the internet.
I actually do see the other side of it: There's a certain negative aspect, if you're giving some grief about something, because it's going to create hostility even if you're right. Some battles you don't need to pick necessarily. But I do think that this is such a clear-cut case of right and wrong, which is existing right at the root of what I guess has the potential to become one little piece of an important part of free internet social-media infrastructure, that it's worth making complaints about. I would feel exactly the same way (actually probably a lot more intensely about) if Lemmy instances in the EU were doing the bidding of EU governments and censoring commentary that wasn't the way the government wanted things presented.
You're encouraging people to go over there and troll/post in bad faith about the same topics. Comments like this are why its hardly surprising that they ban people. It's literally just a case of "let's piss off the tankies" comments made by people who have already made their minds up about Tiananmen square and the mistreatment of Uyghurs.
The revolutionaries of the past would be disgusted with you. Speaking truth to power is one of the common heroic actions of the left: Standing up for people who are being abused, even when the people doing it are getting away with it, and demanding and enforcing that no one talk about it. Shame on you for coming down on the side of the abuser.
Propaganda frameworks like the one you've absorbed often include redefining common words and concepts in ways that support the desired conclusions, as you're doing with "trolling" and "people who have already made their minds up." It's one of the reasons a certain contingent on Lemmy frequently will tell the person they're talking to, what the person they're talking to believes and how they behave. They need to enforce a certain framework for the conversation, in which what they're doing makes sense, because taking it from first principles will cause them to see it in an "undesirable" light.
I do agree with you trying to have the conversation with that contingent is usually pointless. I'm actually happy to back up anything I am saying, try to open your eyes if you want to insist that the Chinese government's version of events is trustworthy, but I doubt you're interested and I won't try to make the attempt if you don't want it.
Any community will ban users if they get an influx of spammy low effort comments that are deliberately trying to irk the mods and the community as a whole. But it's only bad when Lemmy.ml does it huh?
Go speak truth to power on the streets, the Lemmy.ml mods aren't "the power", just some random people running their own instance.
Way to assume what my opinion of the Chinese government is. I don't recall saying anything about it.
Edit 2: Actually, I can tell you exactly what happens when someone comes in and makes this kind of "spammy low effort" attempt at talking about the Uyghurs on lemmy.ml, because I've done it. I spent about half a day talking back and forth with someone who was very, very insistently insisting to me that there was no genocide in Xinjiang, and the UN had proved it. To their credit, nobody removed anything I had to say, which I was a little surprised by. The post was deleted by its creator some time later, so I can't link to it, which is a shame because the whole exchange was pretty lengthy and interesting, and apparently consenting on both sides. I'll take out a random excerpt of the whole conversation here:
Edit: Also, this part deserves a real response:
Very true. I also think participating on the internet is probably not helping much of anything, in the current crisis, in comparison with actually getting out and doing something.
But still, if we are going to talk about internet stuff, big actions start from little actions. The same people who are swearing that they understand the way to make real progress, and everything needs to be reorganized to match their theories in order to fix the world, have in my view already gone askew and started abusing the tiny amount of power they currently have, and created a little "The Sims" version of a dystopian world which I want no part of. I think that's relevant to point out. And, which theory we're going to use and how we're all going to understand the world, including how we talk about it on the internet, absolutely has power in the real world in the aggregate. C.f. this most recent US election.
Top tier hypocrisy pal.
Yes, it's hardly surprising that they ban anyone who brings up their favorite genocide. After all, it isn't happening, and if it is, the Uyghurs deserve it. Totally normal non-extremist stuff. /s