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[–] galanthus -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

Not voting delegitimises the government and puts pressure on the political system. The minor benefits of that are not countered by any drawbacks if you are in the vast majority of states that are not swing states.

But my main point is: you have to develop a solid ideological viewpoint and act on it if you actually want your voice to be represented. If you just vote for the parties that you do not agree with because you feel like you have to you are actually not doing your "democraric duty" and instead are legitimising the government that does not represent your desires, thusly eroding democracy.

You can say, that if a lot of people thought this way and voted for, say, Jill Stein, or not at all, the Democrats would not win. To that I would say, why would I want them to win if I do not agree with their politics? But most importantly, if people were actually willing to stand their ground and at least try to hold politicians accountable and fight for political representation(of their views) you would not have the political fiasco you have now in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

That's a lot of words to say that you don't care about other people or what happens to them. I'm sure trans people at home or those suffering under the neo-colonial regime of the US are proud of you.

you have to develop a solid ideological viewpoint and act on it if you actually want your voice to be represented.

Yeah, I guess that's where we differ. I use my ideological viewpoint to protect people rather than let immense harm come to them in the vain attempt to make a point to political organizations. But it amazes me the lengths people go to justify increasing the amount of suffering they are allowing to occur based on "principles".

[–] galanthus 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And if I was a US citizen and I did not vote, or voted for Trump, what would change? I will tell you what, nothing. You can vote for whomever you want, and still only one candidate will win, and your vote will likely not matter even if you live in a swing state but you probably don't, so it doesn't matter at all. You make it sound like by abstaining you elect Trump, but if your vote is not decisive, it does not have a negative impact on others. So indulging my ego would do no harm. But it would delegitimise the system I am opposed to.

You are complaining about the neo-colonial regime of the US. I am not certain how legitimising the party that supports it is going to change anything in that regard, but please, enlighten me.

Every vote is a vote for the system, it does not matter whether you vote for Trump or not. If you love the right-wing democratic party and don't want anti-imperialist, leftist and even centre-left views present in your political system, please, do not do anything and just vote for whatever mediocre politician the party appoints while disregarding the popular will. But stop complaining about people that actually want their views represented.

Democracy does not just arise naturally, it has to be maintained. You have to stand your ground, demand what is rightfully yours. If you do not even try to do that, and just defer to the political system, you do not understand what it takes to have a democracy.

Why would anyone vote for a party that they are opposed to ideologically?

Edit: I do understand why, of course, I just diapprove.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

You disprove of trying to prevent fascism.

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