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ummmmm, there's a reason people, companies, and nations want to trade with the united states, it's because they have the largest economy, with the richest per capital spending power of any place in the world, with 342 million people. no one is "cutting the us out of the global economy" not even countries that trump is about to punish with economy wrecking tariffs, he'll just tariff you more. this sounds like a good plan, until you run the numbers, and "Cutting the US our of the global economy" reduces every nations ability to trade by 20% - 50%, and that my friends, leads to hundreds of millions of people into destitution and poverty on a scale no one has ever seen before. I mean with one fell swoop Trump did away with USAID and it's $40 billion dollar foreign aid budget, which in turn cut off tens/hundreds of millions of real live human beings, all across the world, from foreign aid consisting of life sustaining food, clean water, & medication, the death toll will be astronomical. soverign nations like saying they can do without the us, but if you watch closely people are going to start dying from just $40 billion being taken away. that's a fraction or a fraction of a fraction of the trade monies exchanged with the us.
The US is a failed state. We're going to have to learn to live without it sooner or later. The only reason it has so much influence is because we all made it the centre of the global economy. That's what needs to change.
ok, but realize what that's going to cost in the near term, and it's going to be more painful than any war you've ever fought, any fire you've ever put out, and any economic downturn your country has ever experienced, up front, and i don't believe most modern economies want to shoot themselves in the head quite yet, they'll have to endure humilating trade concessions which will shrink their economies gradually, but they're not gonna want to pull that rip cord just because they're a bit miffed
I believe it's all coming down. Don't want it, not looking forward to it, but I think our society is definitely in decline.
Yeah. Sadly, we may not have a choice in the matter.
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Yes, while cutting US ability to trade by 100%. Who's the most impacted then?
I mean it's definitely a gambit, all except for those hundreds of millions (billions?) of people who are going to lose their livelihoods around the world, when world trade shrinks by 20% to 50%. I mean, if you think inflicting that much damage on yourselves for "freedom" from American trade is worth the pain of continuing, have at it by all mean, but I don't think any government anywhere wants to take that hit to their economy, quite yet. You can try to wean your US trade in increments over time, but the US (under Fascists like Trump) will notice it, and start tarriffing what is still traded to made up for the difference. The US is a whole continent economy of 342 million, California alone has a GDP greater than all but 5 entire nations. It's all fucked under worldenders like Trump, and if he's not stopped is going to lead to a World Economic Depression worse than any war that has ever been waged.
Uh, look at how quickly the EU began giving Russia the finger after decades of energy dependence. The US is mighty, but everybody and everything is replaceable in 2025
yes, because it had the united states to fall back on, and russia only controlled 3% of their trade centered almost solely in energy and luxury goods