cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It's nice and cozy here, we do have some "bad parts of town" but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
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Obligatory, fuck Spez
I see calling people "tankies" is the "woke" of the Fediverse.
I've been called a tankie in the same posts where I criticize the USSR and Russia, or when I say China isn't inherently good or evil.
Tankies are to liberals what woke is to Republicans. Taking a term invented by a community, reclaiming it, giving it a new definition only used by them.
There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.
Yeah I'm a bit lost on why someone's instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn't that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?
Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.
I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.
Woohoo for tribalism
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don't do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I'm not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven't really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn't your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They're not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I've never seen those instances and I'm assuming my admin already defederated from them. They're pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour...
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can't censor or ban you.
That's the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins' favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you're saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they're from .ml? They're not in the censored community, we're not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren't welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it's not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don't think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I'd say a good 4/5s of the time, it's someone from .ml.
Sure, but only if they're solely in those echo chambers, which if they're posting in .world, they clearly aren't. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don't automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I'll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Not necessarily. Like how people who use 4chan regularly maintain the standards and behaviors even though 4chan isn't their only online community of choice. People take their norms with them, even when they leave home, sort of thing.
I mean, I agree this should be the case, my point is just that the bad reputation of an .ml home instance is not entirely unearned by the .ml community, regardless of the individual user.
I can't speak for .ee, but I would point out the same about .world, albeit phrased differently. .world absolutely has a reputation for being more moderate and less leftist than much of the Fediverse (though, again, I would emphasize that 'social democracy' is the standard, and that both North American and European right-wing and center-right parties are reviled, so it's definitely a question of relative political stances), and if you see someone espousing a "Capitalism isn't so bad 🥺" view, the chances of them coming from .world is probably better-than-average, insofar as the Fediverse is concerned. It would not be incorrect to make that connection - pattern recognition is useful.
Remember to treat people as individuals, yes, but when all the [Sportsball Team A] fans are out wearing plain red shirts from [Local Store] for their team, you are not wrong to scrutinize people who choose to wear plain red shirts from [Local Store] extra closely in that light, even if that isn't that individual's intent or leaning.
Ngl, I am learning so much lemmy server id pol from you right now, lol
It's very interesting reading your experience (which I guess is the more common experience), and how even on this free and open platform there is still some sort of social grouping happening. I didn't really even factor that into my choice of server when I signed up, but now that I think about it, servers like slrpnk and the old 196 server (I'm completely blanking on the instance name) are built around special groups, obviously so. I guess I just don't think too deeply on the identities of the general instances because they claim to not have one (but they clearly do lol.)
Thanks for making the effort to explain all this, I appreciate it!
Happy to help! I'm terminally online af, so I see a lot of... all of the discourse, lmao.
The closest thing to subreddit drama here is probably yepowertrippingbastards over on db0ero, but even that is more like Am I The Asshole for mod bans than anything else.
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Good luck with that buddy. Look up "kuusi palaa".
Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.
Dude, I got banned from hexbear also. Who cares? Let them run their instance the way they want. Instances are digital communes and should reflect the values of the members who are a part of it.
Not every instance is going to be for everyone. This is a good thing. That's what the block function is for.
The feuders want the admins to dictate what you can and can't see. One must question their motives considering there is a fully functional block feature at the user/community/instance level. Don't like it? Block and move on. That's all there should be to it.
No, it's not how a platform should be run and I will continue pushing for better solutions and then using them.
The design is inherently limiting and stupid. You will just end up in the exact same situation as Reddit where a large percent of the discussion can be blocked at the will of some moron.
you seem to be getting hexbear confused with .world
Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I've seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.
Nah, they're authoritarian genocide deniers.
The opposite of woke.
No, I mean it's the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.
Ah! Yeah, that's true
What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.
The opposite of western bootlicking is not Russian bootlicking.
The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the "tankie triad".
Wow, practically in the same breath as asking me to believe Putin's "de-nazification".
Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it's not the west making the accusation.
So you think you really want to argue Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine, all the warcrimes Russians are pulling, and you're gonna defend that by saying Russians are the heroically invading Ukraine to save Ukraine?
Guess you haven't yet understood the essence of Russian propaganda; deny and obfuscate, never actually answer anything.
Anyone actually engaging with any Russian propaganda knows it breaks down at the slightest touch.
I don't want to take up the whole page with this, so I'll just list the sub-headers;
Prohibited weapons, Abduction and deportation, Attacks on civilians, Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property, Attacks on hospitals and medical facilities, Destruction of energy infrastructure, Destruction and theft of cultural heritage, Torture of civilians, Use of human shields, Sexual violence, Looting, Forced conscription, Mistreatment of prisoners of war, Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
We all know Ukraine is the good side. They may have some baddies on their side (one battalion of crazy fucks), but Russia has way more companies filled with rapists, thieves, murderers taken out of prisons and shipped to the front.
Kindly fuck of to the front lines to feed the drones so we don't need to hear from you anymore.
https://youtu.be/ttthBVrwDV0?si=iEP838yN60BJCuKS
No, I just wanted to demonstrate that their principle of "you must believe vexatious genocide accusation" only seems to apply to ones made by the West.
Anyway, nice essay, but given it's unrelated to the point, I'm not reading it.
Less than a third of a page. ~150 words. "Essay." Russian reading skills have really gone down since Tolstoy, apparently.
Thanks for that comment though, it exemplifies why people should stay away from lemmy.ml.
"Oh my government disappears people, attacks civilians, hospitals, destroys cultural heritage, rapes, and forcefully relocates children? I'mma pretend I didn't see that."
That's so inhumane and disgusting it turns my stomach.
The USA, Israel, Russia, and China all support genocide.
Now you say it.
Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you're here, will you also condemn Ukraine's Donbas genocide?
It's 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.
It does have a definition though and there is still power in that.
Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.
The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it's made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
If you can do something as simple as compare numbers (a skill taught in elementary school), you can know when genocide is happening, regardless of what other people around you try to weasel about what they believe the term to be.
The only person watering down the word here is you?