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I don't understand what it's going to take for someone to do something. Protests are not going to work when they're holding all our money, services, rights, data, etc hostage, and threatening all our public servants. We already had a hard time protesting before this, because health care is tied to employment. It's not a coincidence that they're going after Medicare and Medicaid. They want an entire nation of indentured servants. Unable to own anything, including our own freedom. When we can't work anymore we can just go die in the wilderness like animals I guess. Hmm where have we heard that before?
Everyone is terrified and exhausted. It seems pretty evident that the election was outright stolen, and I have a hard time believing nobody in power suspected something that many of us immediately called, not with the mountains of evidence that's been stacking up for months, years even. So why didn't they do anything? Why did they wait until Trump was sworn in to even talk about it?
I see Canadians online talking about Americans like we chose this. But we didn't, it was forced upon us, and we're begging for help! Who can we turn to if not our allies? What is going on???
Edit: To those claiming that I'm just as bad as the J6ers, that the election was not tampered with and Harris just ran a terrible campaign; whether unwittingly or not, you are part of the problem. You're falling for the suppression and misinformation tactics, or you're facilitating them. I'm editing my comment to compile some links, but let me be clear, I fully expect that you're going to deny these facts as well, and move the goalposts again. My refusal to engage is not a concession, it's me protecting what little emotional energy I have left.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
Some great information about voter suppression from a trusted journalist: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
This guy's compilation is great
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eligible-voters-swept-up-conservative-activists-purge-voter-rolls/
https://www.youtube.com/live/284VFHrO8Nc?si=F-fk-rB6dH2_taWv
https://sos.ga.gov/news/georgias-2024-statewide-risk-limiting-audit-confirms-voting-system-accuracy ~ please note the date (November 20th) and how soon after the election this was, in business days. This link should be taken into consideration with a few more facts, including what we know about their flawed 2020 audit and Trump's famous phone call. Here is a good examination of the audit showing two very important oddities that should be further examined: https://goudanachos.github.io/pages/georgia-rla-discrepancy-analysis-2024/
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-voting-machines-trump-investigation-2018890
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fake-bomb-threats-linked-russia-briefly-close-georgia-polling-locations-2024-11-05/
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2025-01-06/musk-and-putins-dual-interference-in-europe.html ~ an article about just some of the countries where there are suspected or substantiated instances of election interference.
Yes, this is what NATO is for. It is an alliance meant to prevent fascism from taking hold. Just because it's only ever been used in non member countries doesn't mean it can't be used on us, especially if Trump continues to threaten allies. Talking about this leading to WWIII is a strawman argument. You don't know that will happen and it is not a good reason to not be asking for help from our allies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
To those who think comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany are hyperbole:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/
I fully expect that some of the bad actors from reddit are here as well. For anyone else reading this: Question their motives. If they're trying to deny what we can see with our own eyes, their intentions are not good.
I will continue to add links as I'm able.
Watch this if you haven't already: https://youtu.be/CVgNJf6CsBA?si=_SBBLf_yuNVuif7y
Thanks for this. Anytime I talk about these things to folks outside the US, it's always some reply about "your country chose this!" And how, regardless of how I voted, I still somehow let this happen. It's super frustrating and disheartening. Now, it is the cool thing to be super anti-American. This country has a huge population of people who are terrified and strictly opposed to what is happening. Once you decide: "Fuck the US," you're turning your back on millions of Americans that did not want this to happen and did what they could do stop it. We need help in our resistance. Please don't abandon us.
I hear you. Americans in general aren't our (Canada's) enemy, but your President is, along with those who voted for him (and to a lesser extent, those who did not vote), and I have much less sympathy for the "leopards ate my face" crowd during Trump's second term than his first, since he made it very well known what kind of charlatan he was.
That president is the enemy of every single American worth less than a billion dollars, unfortunately there's a solid chunk of Americans who seem to think they're going to wake up and become billionaires. But please know we don't want any of this stupid bullshit
I hear you, friend. Just remember, they don't live here. They haven't experienced the calculated dismantling of our education system. They haven't seen the meteoric rise of Christian nationalism. They don't know how sick and tired the general population is. Social safety nets are more robust in their countries, so they don't have nearly the same number of racist, angry, lead addled boomers managing to gain a chokehold on every aspect of our daily lives.
But we do live here, we have experienced it, and you are not alone.
I don't think people outside the US realize how hard people have fought to stop this from happening. How this was a slow decent that people have been doing their best to prevent for literal decades and the people in power just kept letting it happen. I am not saying that the democrats are as bad as the republicans but they have been complacent in letting the GOP destroy all the checks and balances that were available to them in the past. They should have blocked the SC picks but did not because it would have been bad form.
I agree with you. Hopefully we get to see the electoral college and two party system abolished in our lifetime, *in favor of direct democracy, ranked choice voting, and a parliamentary party system that actually reflects the needs of the people.
*I can't believe I had to add that.
That statement is practically begging to be monkey-pawed
Non Americans don't understand and assume we have the same liberties as them.
"Just do die in the street and achieve nothing" Isn't the compelling moral argument many Canadians seem to think it is.
Either go protest and get shot or you clearly asked for your rights to be stripped away feels like a slap in the face for anyone who is directly affected by the things that is happening and is extremely demotivating. It feels like someone saying that somehow it was your individual fault that states that you are not in did not vote the way you would have liked them too.
The way i see it, the current disasters unfolding were predictable as far back as the 1960s. Unhinged greed is a disease, and letting it run free and calling it "progress", "economic liberalism", and channeling it to make it your main way of doing economy, is a disease. What's angering me personally is that it seems to me that Americans are so extremely short-sighted, that as long as it worked for them, everything was ok in their eyes, and now that they're hitting the wall, they suddenly want to get off the vehicle. Good planning takes a long time, and even if we wanted to help you, we couldn't, because there's not enough preparation time.
This isn't news. Different than what americans might think, they're not necessarily looked at as the "big heroes" everywhere. There's a lot of countries who have made a lot of bad experiences because of them, and really, the USA isn't popular, on average, world-wide.
The hero thing is not a mindset of most Americans. It seems like you're considering everyone in the US is an ignorant conservative. While there is definitely a large group that is very ignorant and naive, there is a different large population that do not live in a fantasy world and understand what their country has done on a world stage.
The US is not the only democracy that is currently endangered. Europe can easily follow suit, South America in some parts as well, as we've seen.
Freedom doesn't come freely, it has to be fought for, hard, time and time again.
Yeah, this reply is a perfect example. It's a generalization of over 340 million individuals.
This is a really flimsy talking point I'm so sick of.
We refer to you as Americans because that's what you told us to call you. We are judging the actions and system of government you set up, and are paying for.. Are you somehow now suggesting that unless there is 100% internal consensus you are unresponsible for the actions of the government your money pays? Your internal politics are your god-damn problem. I could not care about how you internally identify.
Reality check: The man you all tolds us is in charge of your country now is threatening me and my family now on the international stage.
So own it. You are literally paying your money to keep it going. It is yours. You built it, you are funding it.. For decades we've listened to you go on and on (and fucking on) about your freedoms. Good. Now is the time to prove you are both brave and free. Stop posting on Lemmy and go get in contact with people doing the actual, real work of defending your country. Stop coming here and defending yourself from me ffs. I'm just your pissed off neighbour. It doesn't matter what I think. Go do something useful ffs.
As it stands, it seems that Trump represents you feckless cowards perfectly.
You know we don't voluntarily give our money to the government, right??
Edit: Can you respond? You mentioned we are all "paying" for it. Are you talking about taxes?
Ah yes, American Freedom, amiright? Freedom that exists as long as they don't have to excercise it. Or excercise anything, really.
Do American schools still have History classes? Or is it all just Pledges of Allegiance to their Dear Leader now? If they did then you would know of "The Boston Tea Party". It was what your ancestors did when the government of their time kept taxing them without giving them a fair, democratic vote. See also: "Electoral College".
I have an idea, why not stop arguing with an internet stranger and go get involved in your political process? Think of it like "compound interest" - the sooner you get involved the bigger your impact! Alternatively, keep telling me how you are impotent to do anything while celebrating your July 4th freedom celebrations unironically.
Why do you have such a hard on for America. Do you have anything constructive to say, or do you just whine constantly?
You are a fool.