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Biden was like a bizarro Willy Wonka, fell on his face and then spent the whole tour boring and disappointing us for ages, somehow even the psychosis bug tunnel was boring. Then he gives the chocolate factory to an Oompa Loompa with syphilis.
He didn't hand the chocolate factory to anyone the American voters elected the idiot on their own.
You consider it even remotely appropriate to let an insurrectionist stand for election? A literal traitor to the republic? Allowing him on the ballot was, I think, a crucial failure of democratic norms. One of many.
Just as legality is not the same as morality, winning an election in a critically dysfunctional democracy is not a mandate to rule as a king.
They're beginning to learn, too late, that the only thing keeping democracy in America is its norms. Voters were offered an insane question that should never have been asked.
Biden isn’t responsible for any of that though. The courts should have stopped Trump nothis oppenent in the election
edit: To all thinking Biden could or should have directly intervened to prevent Trump from running how do you think he can legally do so without being seen as a dictator?
Biden could have used an "official act" to prove a point. He's old and could have made the sacrifice for the greater good since by the time the courts were done he is on his death bed. Would have been interesting to watch.
The CIA has toppled democracies around the world. So its bullshit to say the president has his hands tied...
If a leader utilizes the intelligence agencies to put down opposition politicians then they are an authoritarian dictator. Biden isn’t that stupid.
Be careful when you fight monsters. Biden was fucked either way if I'm being honest, I'd even bet a handful of cash that a prominent Dem, perhaps even Biden, gets merked within two years.
Youre right. Should just let a traitor waltz in and be the authoritarian dictator. We'll just put Biden in the history book beside Hindenburg.
So your solution to prevent an authoritarian dictatorship is for Biden to become an authoritarian dictator?
Te courts are the check against this.
The same courts that gave immunity to the president for "official acts"?
Yes the same courts that did that. POTUS shouldn’t be preventing the opposition from running candidates.
Being a poltical opposition shouldnt be a shield from consequences. Anyone else, he would have been labeled a terrorist and sent off to gitmo. But i guess US has always been a veil democracy anyway, so im not really suprised once the remaining illusions eroded away.
It isn’t a shield from consequences. The courts and DOJ were prosecuting him.
There is NO situation where elected officials should be deciding who can oppose them in a democratic electoral system.
And how is that working out?
Badly but that doesn’t change that Biden shouldn’t interfere.
Why not? He could make the executive decision to stop the madness and force their hands to actually put forth a trial. He could done it and immediately resigned and let the system decide if his actions were justified. I understand its really not a great thing to undermine democracy... but if he truely believe democracy was already being undermined, then an exetreme act with benevolent intention should be allowed so as long those actions are proven justifiably.
Because that is how dictatorships work. That action would completely undo our democratic republic in a way that even 1/6/21 couldn’t.
So I Guess its better to vote for a dictatorship than trying to protect democracy for the future.
You wouldn’t be protecting democracy. You would be destroying it completely.
No it would not. It would be a wake up call for the senate to pull back the power of POTUS if anything.
Yes, it would because you have a candidate going out of their way to prevent a fair election from happening.
This is intro level poli sci stuff that you are not getting here
More like resetting the election forcing both parties to pick new candidates.
by not giving a shit about optics in the same way he bailed his son out. who cares if people see him as a dictator?
Pardoning his son from witch-hunts by the GOP isn’t dictatorial.Legally preventing the opposition from running candidates is absolutely dictatorial.
pardoning witch hunts? hunter avoided paying taxes and got caught. why should he not pay the price for his crime?
Because typically tax evasion is not handled by Congress. Surely you realized that it was really weird that Congress was looking into misdemeanor criminal violations.
A great deal of the things congress seems to investigate are stupid. Like the whole baseball and steroids thing. And most of the rest of their investigations are dog and pony shows.
I find it weird, yes. I guess I just don't care about what's weird or not anymore since weird actions have very real results.
its only going to get weirder. nobody on the left wants to be painted as the person who overstepped societal norms they shouldnt have in order to keep crazy in check.
oh well! what are ya gonna do lol
Biden decided a longer than 4 year investigation without charges was the move. If smith filed charges on some, but not all the crimes Trump committed, courts would have had something to go off of to bar him from running.
Biden had no role in that investigation as it would be extremely inappropriate for him to do so.
Except it wouldn't be, since he was not a political opponent after jan 6th. He also absolutely had a role, the idea the head of the executive branch doesn't control the doj is and always has been an open lie. The existence of pot shops in legal states is the most obvious proof of that.
The elected leader in a democratic republic like the USA cannot stop candidates from running without becoming a dictator. This is intro level poli sci stuff.
There is a difference between permitting states to decriminalize cannabis and electoral interference.
They actually can, it's called doing their job and charging the individual with high crimes against the US that they've committed. There's no difference between a presidential candidate and a citizen.
No it isn’t. It is inappropriate for any candidate to utilize their office to prevent opposition. That is how authoritarian societies work not democratic republics. You should have been taught this in secondary/high school (ages 14-18 if you aren’t American).
How would you react if Trump had banned Bernie Sanders ir Biden from running in 2020 over perceived charges? Do you not see how easily misused that power would be?
The DOJ lead by the USAG should handle the prosecution without input from POTUS. That is what happened.
What you are suggesting is the kind of clownish fantasy that would get you laughed out of any courtroom. That’s how failed democracies work. That is not how systems should work. You are literally advocating corruption.
The norms you're citing are all perfectly correct - but no democracy can survive if these norms are able to protect literal traitors. The fact that a coup was attempted should have resulted in swift and frightfully intense penalties for all involved. Unhung traitors poison republics.
Yes, and the list of people who dropped the ball on that prosecution does not and cannot include his political opponent.
Ceding your point for the sake of discussion, if that is a single point of failure for, in the emerging situation, the entire government, shouldn't we have been talking about reforms? This whole notion of a democratic republic whose existence is predicated on norms is easily destroyed by one weirdo.
I don't have all the answers, but at least tell me you see how fragile it all is. The most powerful country in history should not be designed to resist traitorous elements this weakly.
The DOJ, Congress and the courts all should have stopped this. The fact is a HUGE chunk of America knows fuckall about the government or how governing works (Lemmy is no exception). The public chose fascism.
The Electoral College chose fascism. For all your pedantry you lose points on precision.
Advocating for suspected criminals to face charges and go to trial in a timely manner is authoritarian.
Well that's just absolutely ridiculous. I sincerely hope you understand this is why Trump won and why the US won't exist by the end of the decade. Please don't fuck up something so simple in your next country.
When the person being tried is a current and former opponent in an election yes it us and anyone suggesting otherwise needs remedial education in the difference between societies with rule of law and those without.
You’re in a tech job, aren’t you?
So in order to commit any crime, including murder, which Trump can be charged with as he committed a felony where individuals died, you just need to run for office.
Weird, I've heard this line of reasoning on fox news before.
You never answered how the tech job is working out.
That’s not what Im saying at all and I have no idea why you would conclude that given how many times I have clearly stated the issue to you.
You stated a falsehood, outright misinformation. I am attempting to let you understand why your incredibly short sided point of view is wrong.
In your world, with the words you have stated, all presidential candidates are immune to prosecution. That's obviously incorrect, therefore you entire basis of objections is wrong.
No, I did not and you repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on how democracy works.
Suggesting Biden should intervene in the electoral process is suggesting an action only seen in authoritarian states.
You have an incredibly flawed understanding of philosophy or how anything works here. Is this because you don’t live in a democracy and only understand how authoritarian states like China works?
If you think you have to let murderers free because of democracy, you don't support democracy, you support murder.
An investigation ending in a jury trial is not, by any standard, despotic nor authoritarian.
However refusing to bring charges against someone in your same political class because they ran against you or might do so in the future absolutely is authoritarian and is the sign of an oligarchy wherein those with enough money are free from consequences.
If in 2020 Trump prevented Biden from running would you support that?
If Biden was convicted of a high crime, absolutely. That's only be constitutional.