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https://xcancel.com/charliermarsh/status/1884651482009477368

We’re building a new static type checker for Python, from scratch, in Rust.

From a technical perspective, it’s probably our most ambitious project yet. We’re about 800 PRs deep!

Like Ruff and uv, there will be a significant focus on performance.

The entire system is designed to be highly incremental so that it can eventually power a language server (e.g., only re-analyze affected files on code change).

Performance is just one of many goals, though.

For example: we're investing heavily in strong theoretical foundations and a consistent model of Python's typing semantics.

(We're lucky to have @carljm and @AlexWaygood on the team for many reasons, this is one of them.)

Another goal: minimizing false positives, especially on untyped code, to make it easier for projects to adopt a type checker and expand coverage gradually over time, without being swamped in bogus type errors from the start.

We haven't publicized it to-date, but all of this work has been happening in the open, in the Ruff repository.

All driven by a uniquely great team: @carljm, @AlexWaygood, @sharkdp86, @MichaReiser, @DhruvManilawala, @ibraheemdev, @dcreager.

I'm learning so much from them.

Warning: this project is not ready for real-world user testing, and certainly not for production use (yet). The core architecture is there, but we're still lacking support for some critical features.

Right now, I'd only recommend trying it out if you're looking to contribute.

For now, we're working towards an initial alpha release. When it's ready, I'll make sure you know :)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I had a quick look and am already afraid that they are redoing what RustPython (parses python) is doing in order to build their type checker.

After looking at it longer, yep, they forked RustPython. I'm not going to go through the history to find out why, but my first impression is that it's a shame. Now two projects will be doing very similar work, IINM. However, it's about time mypy had competition. It works fine for many cases, but sometimes just is a very frustrating experience.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago

IIUC, copying over RustPython parser is an interesting detail, but that change happened earlier (2023!) when they were building Ruff, so it is old news. This piece of code called red-knot seems to be mostly original work, as far as I can tell.

https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Ared-knot+sort%3Acreated-asc