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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Kinda weird how after every revolution (whether or not the ideals behind the revolution was good or terrible), the government of the newly established state always becomes the new oppressor.

Maybe we should try a society without the state? (and without the capitalism either)

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[–] _stranger_ 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's because "The State" isn't a Kaiju. It's an agreement between the people to pool their resources in some way. The problem with this system is that some humans are greedy, soulless fucks who have endless energy for making other people's lives miserable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's because "The State" isn't a Kaiju.

Source? Sure seems like a big scary monster that eats people to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Maybe we should try a society without the state?

But that’s Communism

Seriously though, if you’re unorganized then the oppressors will organize against you. That’s why all systems fail once you add people

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually, that's anarchy.

Not necessary bad. Autonomous collectives of participatory rule, by and for one another.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does communism have a hierarchy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No

just a

Autonomous collectives of participatory rule, by and for one another.

Though per the root word you would more typically say commune than collective but it’s not any different

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe we should try a society without the state?

But that’s Communism

No. That's anarchy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Congrats on not knowing what communism is

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It would be super funny if maga was secret communists

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you ever talked to any of them on a specifically issue-based level without using loaded terminology? Because that's the crazy thing, a lot of them have truly clued in to real problems in the world, the issue is just that instead of reaching the logical and right conclusions they have been led astray to false conclusions by charlatans.

I'm not saying go out and try to convert these folks because let's be real, a lot of them are just simply too far gone into hatred rhetoric. But at the same time I think a lot of them actually are secret communists deep down, they're just don't realize they've been manipulated by conmen

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Loaded terminology" like, "facts".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I didn't mean loaded here negatively, I just meant imbued with meaning. Bury the lead and these people can agree with some very leftist shit because the things they're actually mad about are legit: they're mad that they're working more for less value, their community is suffering while elites feed off the fat of the land, and that everyone they know is one medical situation away from falling into complete financial ruin. The problem is that they're unfortunately stupid and not just stupid, but a specific kind of stupid that entire corporate thinktank charlatans have devoted their career to knowing how to deceive and manipulate into thinking stupid as shit conclusions like it's the poor brown fieldworker who is somehow making them poor. It sucks and it makes me sad because these people are legitimately being preyed on but at the same time through this process they come out the other side as absolute monsters, and we don't get anywhere abiding monsters... I dunno man. I know we all know this shit already and i'm preaching to the choir, it's just depressing. Fuck.