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Theory: The Fell Twins boss fight happens inside the shadow veil (self.eldenringlore)
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Okay, title might sound a bit crazy, but hear me out.

When you cross the bridge to the Divine Tower of East Altus, you're pulled into a boss fight with two Omens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVuAtY6Lq8M

I think that this fight happens inside the veil which separates the Shadow Lands from the Lands Between. There are a bunch of reasons for this:

  1. We know that Omen blood is needed to cross into the Shadow Lands, as Miquella uses Mogh's accursed blood to allow himself and his followers to cross the boundary
  2. There are very few examples of similar visual effects - I can only really think of the fight against Rennala (the transition to the second phase), and the fight against the Elden Beast (also transition to second phase). Nowhere else do we see shadows appearing like this, and both these cases can be linked to Marika (through Ranni and Radagon respectively)
  3. The Omen don't have the kind of magic you'd need to do something like this. They have some magical properties, but those are mostly out of their control. Maybe they aren't even doing this on purpose - the Fell Twins could simply be stuck inside the veil, unable to progress further
  4. When overlaying the DLC and basegame maps, we can be sure the Divine Towers would be close to the borders. Even though the maps don't fit when looking at all details, we can be certain the veil must run somewhere along the area of the divine bridges
  5. The fight ends once we kill both Omen. It's reasonable to assume that the hand which transports us to the Shadow Lands also would cease working if all the Omen blood were removed

All of this leads me to believe that this fight happens inside the veil! What do you think?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
  1. In my opinion from reuses concepts troughout their games. For example that liquids act as portals to other dimensions or places.

Bloodborne for example did this to get to the Rom boss.

In dark souls 2 the PC drops into water to get to dranglaic.

So I think an educated guess is to see them as portals.

  1. oh I meant the concealing veil item icon looks like the veil that is above the shadow lands. Like it is made from the same material/process.

And here is a darkness spell wich is linked to the two fingers and the assassins. Which says "veiled in darkness"

darkness

  1. yeah its all pretty weird. I will start a document soon. Because that stuff is all way to complex and its hard to structure my thoughts as everything is so intervowen.

Always thought a graph with items, characters, locations and their connections would be really helpful.

I pumped for nightreign too. Don't know if its canon but if it is it would validate the Theorie that all the fromsoft souls games are in the same universe.

[–] FooBarrington 1 points 1 week ago
  1. In my opinion from reuses concepts troughout their games. For example that liquids act as portals to other dimensions or places. Bloodborne for example did this to get to the Rom boss.

I see what you mean, and you're probably (definitely) correct . Though it's important that Omen blood isn't sufficient to actually create a portal to TSL, only necessary.

  1. oh I meant the concealing veil item icon looks like the veil that is above the shadow lands. Like it is made from the same material/process. And here is a darkness spell wich is linked to the two fingers and the assassins. Which says “veiled in darkness”

Good point! I definitely think that the Eternal Cities were linked to all that somehow. Even more reason to hope for more information in Nightreign!

I pumped for nightreign too. Don’t know if its canon but if it is it would validate the Theorie that all the fromsoft souls games are in the same universe.

Based on what I've read I'm pretty sure it is canon up to the Shattering. What we do in the modern day won't affect TLB from Elden Ring, but the info we learn about the past will most likely be relevant to both!

And I'm 99% sure it does confirm that it's the same universe. I can't remember where, but there was some marketing material for Nightreign which talked about embers of an extinguished flame. Can't wait to see more!