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My Lemmy blocklist has literally tripled since yesterday lol.
If we keep going, we can make this an echo chamber yet!
Kinda weird that its only an echo chamber when it leaves out the right.
I don't know where you got that opinion from. An echo chamber is an echo chamber and I think it's a shame regardless of which flavour it is.
I'm here for open debate and freedom of expression, knowing that will mean having to see and read things I don't like every now and again.
If other people want to block other users up to the point there's no one else that has a different opinion to them, then they absolutely can do that but I thinks it's just being an ostrich that sticks it's head in the sand.
Enlightened centrist?
I consider my self a lefty, but I think it's important to consider all points of view, especially when I disagree with them.
That is good, but what value do they bring?
If nothing else, it's practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.
I also find it quite fascinating to try understanding other people, I already understand the reasoning behind my beliefs and already know what I know. Talking to someone different from me is much more interesting than talking to someone very similar to me.
That is good point. But it requires for them to want to engage in honest discussion and not just spew useless crap they have filled their heads with. And worst ones are incapable of that.
It usually doesn't take long to work out if a discussion is going to be interesting/worth while or not, although some people can be deceiving!
You can consider the nazi point of view (do you really need to though?) without defending nazis' right to spew their bullshit.
And let's face it, even if lemmy was 100% leftists, the rest of the world is fascist as fuck so it'll never be an echo chamber.
The only speech I don't defend is hate speech. Everything else must be fair game, no matter how much I personally don't like it or how much I disagree.
Fascism implies hate speech, and that's what the "right" is all about in most countries right now.
I think that's a broad brush to paint with and that the majority of people identifying with right wing politics are in reality rather moderate.
You could argue that the moderate right enable the extreme right but that's a different debate.
I feel like this is exactly the sort of thing that makes the guy on the right in the comic feel the way he does. Call enough random people Nazis as hyperbole and you can boy-who-cried-wolf your way into being ignored when they're genuinely at it in full view (aka Musk the other day).
this is why facism should be redefined and renamed based on that definition, in my opinion. The whole concept has been saturated so badly you cant even use it anymore as is evident in what is happening.
Its more than just bunch of assholes doing and saying bad things, its like disease that spreads to vulnerable people after enough exposure. And i'm not saying its actually disease or taking control of people, human brains just work in such a way.
But if left unchecked it will lead to wars, atrocities and also likely destruction of our potential as intelligent beings. After they run out of outsiders to hate they will turn on eachother until there is nothing left. They also wont care about environment until its so far gone nothing can be done and planet cant sustain advanced enough civilization that can even leave it.
Someone with the privilege of not belonging to a group that fascists wants to exterminate from the planet, apparently.
Are we all still referring to the comic strip about Nazis?
Aaaand blocked. Keep fellating Trump and Musk
I don't like Trump or Musk, I just keep my head when all else about are losing theirs.
Enjoy your echo chamber, must be nice when there's no-one that has a different opinion or disagrees with you.
So how I feel about this depends somewhat on which platform I'm on, but why do some try to paint it as a virtue to allow ourselves to be surrounded by toxicity?
I can be aware of what is happening in the world and engaged with people who have different opinions than I have without having to let them pollute the places where I just want to be able to exist without harassment and assholery. I can also make different decisions about how insular I want to be on one platform vs another. I don't have to let those people into my life, and I frankly find it kind of offensive when folks suggest that I or others are somehow missing out by not letting them in.
No one should feel obligated to let themselves be the target of hateful rhetoric or comments that hurt them or bring negativity into their lives. Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it's not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.
I agree that there is a huge difference between blocking hate (who the site should be blocking anyway due to breaching the community guidelines) and blocking someone you simply disagree with or are offended by.
When it comes to being offended it's different, we can all agree that hate shouldn't be tolerated, but offence is in the eye of the beholder.
I could block any users that I find to be offensive and live in a lovely online community where everyone agrees with me but I personally don't want a community that doesn't reflect the real world and I find it mentally unhealthy to pretend that offensive people and/or people with different points of view don't exist.
Why? Why is it a virtue of some kind if when I go online I allow the same people to continually make that experience worse for me?
Social media isn't the entire world. Personally blocking the people I don't want to interact with on specific platforms (or even all platforms) doesn't remove my ability to interact with the world and the events going on within it, nor does it remove my ability to hear other opinions.
Edited to add - I fully support someone such as yourself choosing to NOT block people. But I don't like that we're normalizing the idea that we all just have to accept what is coming to us from social media in the name of "considering other opinions", nor that doing so is inherently virtuous. I can consider other opinions and create an online environment for myself that is not toxic.
You do you, I'm not here to tell anyone what their Lemmy experience should be, I'm just saying I personally believe that it's unhealthy to surround yourself only with people that agree with you, we all have to go back to the real world at some point.
There was a post yesterday where a guy was not going to his brother's wedding because they'd had a fall out over the whole Musk thing. I think that's terrible.
"You just don't like people with different opinions about what types of humans should be eradicated. Not me, willing to have all sorts of conversations about ranking people in terms of who is subhuman."
I think there's a difference between blocking people that use hate speech and blocking those who you simply disagree with but I don't know why I keep bothering to try explaining myself.
When one of the opinions is Nazi one, it stops being "simple disagreement". You can't simply disagree with a nazi on any topic. It needs to be shameful, maybe even dangerous to be a nazi, nobody should ever take them seriously and have conversations with them, there is no other ways to deal with that ideology. It feeds on hate and idiocy.