This week’s “breakthrough” in ceasefire negotiations to end the genocidal campaign against Gaza came, according to regional sources, after a single intervention by US president-elect Trump’s designated envoy Steve Witkoff in which he ordered Netanyahu's government to capitulate.
While we might be skeptical of Trump’s habit of claiming credit for any progress, it was corroborated by the far-right members of the Netanyahu government erupting into the kind of tantrum for which they are now world-famous, framing the deal as a disaster imposed on "Israel" by the incoming administration.
In the aftermath of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, Biden, while parroting "Israel’s" atrocity propaganda about beheaded infants in ovens, gave Netanyahu a carte blanche to declare total war on the people of Gaza. As the unique scale of the atrocities in the Strip became clear, Biden proceeded, through his spineless UN ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield, to provide diplomatic cover for the genocide at the Security Council.
In June, Biden lied that a ceasefire deal had finally been reached, that it was at the initiative of the Netanyahu government, and that the Israeli leadership had accepted it. Secretary of State Antony Blinken clownishly trumpeted this falsehood, along with the claim that the only impediment to the ceasefire was Hamas’ refusal of its terms. It was well known at the time to be a lie, but the breakthrough of the last week confirms it beyond all doubt.
What did trump actually do? What exactly did he say? I've gotten into arguments with people on this platform who can't say how he got Israel to accept the deal, but also with a guy who thought it was the threats to Hamas (which is ridiculous, I don't think it was Hamas refusing this ceasefire deal). What did he actually say to Israel, that Biden didn't? All I can think of is he stopped saying that Israel can get even more, which means they were only keeping this up because he promised they could have even more. Maybe I'm wrong. Is there a source that says he threatened to withhold arms?
It it in the post.
The president holds 100% of the leverage. If Biden was serious for a single second about trying to stop the genocide it would have ended instantly.
The us president can't order Israel without some kind of threat. That's not a threat. I bet Biden never said "stop I want to win this election" to Israel. Trump did call Israel during the election and said likely said "keep going I want to win this election"
Edit: I said threat, but there could also be an offer. What did he offer or threaten that Biden didn't? Or was it just the same, but Israel would not see the way or on the horizon?
Only the most terminally unserious, most Morning Joe-pilled liberals believe—or claim to believe—that Biden couldn’t have ended the genocide at any time over those 15 months.
There’s no need to hypothesize when we’ve seen a president stop Israeli aggression with a phone call before.
I did not say he couldn't, I said trump got in the way. Then I asked what did trump do now that joe Biden didn't the past six months after Donald called Bibi last year. Why didn't he do this two months ago. And you bring up Reagan. It's like you know about Mr. Keep the hostages until I'm in office.
Lol, the absolute state of BlueAnon Biden simps. They're now seriously trying to argue that Trump somehow forced Biden to keep sending Israel weapons, vetoing every resolution against them, and generally do everything he could to protect them.
You know maybe nothing would have changed if trump hadn't contacted them before the election. I can give you that. Maybe they'd still be doing and there wouldn't be a ceasefire if things had gone differently. But also, maybe this could have happened months ago had those calls not taken place. And maybe this could have happened months ago had he called after the beginning of November. After all, it just took one phone call right? I don't know everything hypothetical. And now there is a ceasefire for the moment, which is good.
No, it couldn't. Because Biden made no effort to secure a ceasefire. It took one phone call, but Biden was not willing to make that phone call. The idea that Trump was somehow forcing Biden to keep sending Israel billions in arms for the past fifteen months is absolute brain-dead conspiracy on par with qanon.
I didn't say that Donald Trump forced the weapon shipments. I said he could have told Israel to not negotiate until now. I'd say it's a brain dead idea that Biden never said "stop it" once. Those weapon shipments will continue now regardless, and now the genocide will just be moved back to a cold phase until something happens,or it is complete.
The POTUS doesn't need to "negotiate" with Israel: Israel relies on the USA for its existence. If Biden told them "stop it" and they refused, he would have cut support and forced them to stop it.
But he didn't, because he is a fanatical supporter of Israel.
But of course you've already had this explained to you multiple times, your brain just refuses to accept it because it's been completed fucking broken by your team losing the election and it's in full on cope mode.
Israel couldn't have gone until the election without him? I don't know how much they have in store, but I assumed it was significant. Maybe I'm wrong there. They probably wouldn't have gone as hard, but there was no guarantee they would stop. There is certainly something different about trump saying stop it and Biden saying it. Are you assuming it's that Trump attached it to shipments? I don't know what is different myself. It could be several things. I'm not discounting the possibilities. He says it's his manly voice, and while that drips with sarcasm, I mean it could be? Maybe bidens a wimp and that was the difference. But... I'm also not discounting possibilities that disagree with that.
No, they could not. TRUMP COULD NOT FORCE THE BIDEN ADMIN TO KEEP SUPPORTING ISRAEL.
You're being deliberately stubborn now, I've explained this multiple times to you. Clearly there is no helping people like you who have fully practiced Qanon style conspiracy theory.
I didn't say that again. The all capital thing, I did not say that. I didn't say that Trump forced Biden to support anyone.
Yes. You did.
But I'm done indulging your willful playing dumb. For a year now, blueMaga liberals like you have insisted that just because you refuse to acknowledge obvious facts, the rest of us can't either. Clearly it costing them an election has only caused them to double down.
Maybe I implied that? I didn't mean to. Where did I say that. But the conspiracy theory you are referring to isn't that it forced joe Biden to send weapons (and yes he's a piece of shit for doing it, it's immoral). At least I don't know where I said that specifically (if trump calls someone I don't know how that forced joe Biden to do anything)
Was I not clear that I'm not going to indulge your willful playing dumb anymore?
Lol yeah, poor powerless POTUS just had no leverage to threaten Israel. Christ BlueAnon liberals are coping hard, this ceasefire has really broken your brains
I didn't say he was powerless. I said what leverage did Donald Trump use that joe Biden didn't and you cannot answer me. What beyond asking please did he do!
I don't know what specific piece of leverage he invoked, given that Israel is almost entirely reliant on the US to exist, it could be a lot of things: maybe he threatened to stop sending tens of billions in arms, maybe he threatened to withdraw USA military assets from Israel and Yemen. Maybe he threatened to stop protecting Israel from international law. Maybe he threatened to side with the International Court. Maybe he threatened sanctions, maybe he threatened an embargo. Maybe he threatened to deploy the US military to drive Israel out of Gaza.
The US has near infinite leverage over Israel, the fact that Biden refused to use it, because he supports Israel and it's genocide, doesn't change that.
Or maybe he didn't use any additional leverage and just pulled a Ronald Reagan. Or maybe he did use a form of leverage you aren't mentioning, offered to give them something when they stop, which a. Wouldn't necessarily be bad but also b. Wouldn't necessarily be mutually exclusive with pulling what Reagan did with Carter.
No.
Carter did not spend the year before the election aggressively supporting Iran, sending Iran billions in weapons, deploying the USA military to defend Iran, and shielding Iran from the international community and international law. Reagan could not force him to do that, just like Trump could not force Biden to do that. Biden chose to do that.