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British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has been criticised after publishing a statement on Wednesday night which welcomed the ceasefire in Gaza but recalled the "massacre of Jewish people" while saying that Palestinians "lost their lives".

The contrasting language used to describe Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict has been a constant source of scrutiny with activists arguing that the deaths of Palestinians are downplayed by media outlets and government.

Points of contention have been not mentioning the perpetrators of Palestinian deaths, which is invariably Israel, and also using the passive voice when talking about those killed.

Middle East Eye has contacted Downing Street to ask how the prime minister believed the Palestinians he referred to had died. At the the time of publication, Downing Street had not responded.

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[–] TheGrandNagus 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (37 children)

Middle East Eye is being quite deceptive here. It's interesting they don't give Starmer's full quote, only snippets that they framed in a certain way.

Here's what was actually said by Starmer:

After months of devastating bloodshed and countless lives lost, this is the long-overdue news that the Israeli and Palestinian people have desperately been waiting for. They have borne the brunt of this conflict – triggered by the brutal terrorists of Hamas, who committed the deadliest massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust on October 7th, 2023.

When he said "lives lost" he was talking about people from Israel and Palestine, not just Palestine, you can see that in the quote.

When he said "They" we was talking about the citizens of both Israel and Palestine. You can see that in the quote.

He said that Hamas committed a massacre on the 7th of October - which is literally and unambiguously correct. They attacked indiscriminately at a music festival. You can see that in the quote.

I'm so tired of people equating Hamas and Palestine. They are not the same thing no matter what Middle East Eye says. It's very possible to stand with the people of Palestine, as I do, while also hating a terrorist institution that is based there. Frankly I think the view that Hamas and Palestinian are the same thing is racist.

We don't automatically class Irish as being IRA, so why are some insistent that we do that with Hamas and Palestinians? It's perfectly reasonable to dislike Hamas, given that they are literally a terrorist group.

This entire article completely misrepresents what was actually said. No wonder they avoided showing his actual quote.

If your view is that Starmer should have called out Israel on war crimes then thats one thing, and completely fair IMO, but this? Publishing straight-up lies? That's not journalism, that's pedalling misinformation. I'd never expectMiddle East Eye to not have some bias, but falsifying quotes is disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People are so amped up that's it's impossible to discuss certain topics with being willfully misunderstood. All to assign people a side in the conflict.

[–] TheGrandNagus 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you're exactly right.

It's impossible to discuss this in any reasonable sense because you'll just get dismissed as a pro-genocide Nazi by some people and as a Jew-hating Nazi by the other.

God forbid I have the opinion that mass-murdering civilians at a music festival is morally wrong and so is working to wipe out people in Gaza.

Apparently only one can be wrong and I have to celebrate the other! And if an extremely deceptive article get published, I have to ignore the lies and claim that it's 100% true, but only if they agree with my side.

Honestly this comment section is depressing. It's like seeing climate change deniers. Nobody seems to care about what actually happened, they care about whether the way it was falsely framed pushes their worldview or not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Stay strong brother. There's dozens of us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Probably more, just not making as much noise.

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