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Originally leaked on X (I think), then posted to the SpaceXLounge subreddit by u/mehelponow

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, the Spaceshuttle was a cautionary tale and the Ship doesn't seem to have a fundamentally different approach. But lets see how things will develop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think the shuttle is a good example at all.

The reusability was just marketing shtick so a large enough vehicle could be built to launch multiple Hubble-chassis Keyhole satellites for the NSA. (It's probably more accurate to say the Hubble is built on a Keyhole satellite chassis).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yet the technology it used for the heat shield was very similar to what SpaceX is trying to do with the Ship.

[–] pennomi 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’ve heard whispers that they are trying a new transpirational heat shield design since the tiles aren’t working out so well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

That would be pretty cool indeed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shuttle was aluminium beneath the thermal tiles, so damage to the tiles was catastrophic. The expectation is Starship will be okay with a few tiles out, partly because steel is much more capable than aluminium, and partly because they have backup thermal protection

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure, but there it a huge chasm between "catastrophic failure" and "looks good to go again next week", and even minor structural damage will prevent rapid resuse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd much rather be on a spacecraft that wore out too soon than one that catastrophically failed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Sure, but the rare catastrophic failure issue is not why the Spaceshuttle is widely considered an engineering failure. The real issue with it was that the re-usability of it turned out to be a huge money sink. Spaceship might face a similar fate with those heat-tiles.